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Just thought i'd stir a few pots..
becoming a CIG locker

Its a zook front, and yes, its in the car now. Works great

i recon it will last 3 trips if your lucky..
nice attempt but

dad wrote:Just thought i'd stir a few pots..
becoming a CIG locker

Its a zook front, and yes, its in the car now. Works great

i was thinking of locking my front up, but wonder how the standard cv's will hold up. atm i go every where i want to go alot of thrashing and wheels every where lol

when we welded my rear we literally FILLED it with nuts n bolts... layer by layer adding more and welding them in... and even doing that i broke it once =P haha

11_evl wrote:i recon it will last 3 trips if your lucky..
nice attempt but

X2

Had a welded rear in a daily driven sierra. If you do it right, it will last.
No offence, but if thats the finished product... good luck!!

Mike

run a bead of weld on the gears holding them together, then onto the casing holding the gears to that, then finally weld a plate of teal holding it all together again. have done it too a hilux on 39s (no brekages axcept the ring gear and pinnion 2ce) a patrol front on 39s and twin cases. and mq diff on 37s.

alien wrote:when we welded my rear we literally FILLED it with nuts n bolts... layer by layer adding more and welding them in... and even doing that i broke it once =P haha

that how we did mine, still hasnt broken yet touch wood.

11_evl wrote:i recon it will last 3 trips if your lucky..
nice attempt but

That was only the start of it, it was quite thoroughly welded up, as alien described. Main thing is keeping the slag out and keeping it clean, otherwise your diff oil will pick it up and ruin everything.

I was running my rear, welded in this fashion, and it took about 2 years of abuse before i stripped the splines in the side gears.

How would you suggest welding it?

money_killer wrote:i was thinking of locking my front up, but wonder how the standard cv's will hold up.

i was breaking them like they were going out of fashion (short side CV) with an open front.

with the cig locked front, i only lock in the long side axle hub (which doesn't break as often coz it has that bit more flex than the short side).
It steers easy, is predictable, and if you get stuck/feel like showing off/etc you just lock in the other front hub.

cv's seem to last longer without the constant battering they get with an open center...

dad wrote:

money_killer wrote:i was thinking of locking my front up, but wonder how the standard cv's will hold up.

i was breaking them like they were going out of fashion (short side CV) with an open front.

with the cig locked front, i only lock in the long side axle hub (which doesn't break as often coz it has that bit more flex than the short side).
It steers easy, is predictable, and if you get stuck/feel like showing off/etc you just lock in the other front hub.

cv's seem to last longer without the constant battering they get with an open center...

interesting u must me thrashing it. but i suppose thats how u have to drive a zook im yet to break one.

money_killer wrote:
i was thinking of locking my front up, but wonder how the standard cv's will hold up. atm i go every where i want to go alot of thrashing and wheels every where lol

Don't do it!!!!!
It makes a Zook a REAL pig to steer and is generally a PITA getting out to unlock a hub all the time...

If you must weld a diff don't bother with nuts and bolts.... Weld the side gears butterfly style like in the link.....
http://www.island4x4.com/4x4tech/axle/weldeddiff1/

Is a bit harder than throwing nuts and bolts but slag eating out the bearings isn't a worry and centre can be re-used to fit an ARB locker at a later date if wanted.

You need to edit the title.

Throw out your Air Leaker / Lockwrong/ Fit a bodge weld

want33s wrote: If you must weld a diff don't bother with nuts and bolts.... Weld the side gears butterfly style like in the link....
Is a bit harder than throwing nuts and bolts but slag eating out the bearings isn't a worry and centre can be re-used to fit an ARB locker at a later date if wanted.

My rear is currently locked as per the link, it seems to be going ok so far, but i have seen this method fail/slip (spider gears skipped over welded sections) in a vitara.

If i remove the 3 pins from the side of the carrier the welded clump of gears will come out, enabling me to fit a lock right or open center.

If i wanted to fit an air leaker, the whole part i pictured goes in the bin anyways...

bogged wrote:You need to edit the title.

Throw out your Air Leaker / Lockwrong/ Fit a bodge weld

ok

dad wrote:

bogged wrote:You need to edit the title.

Throw out your Air Leaker / Lockwrong/ Fit a bodge weld

ok

Crikey dad! Don't listen to bogged. We don't.

I busted my first welded diff, the second one held on fine, till it was replaced with a lockable unit.

dad wrote:Just thought i'd stir a few pots..

CIG lockers work well.... provided you fully weld them and everything is pre-heated...... then it will last


An Escort car diff that had been welded (for circut work) in which the welds kept breaking was dropped off to us for "propper welding"

We didnt weld it

We encased the spidergears and housing in a solid ball of lead

Hasnt been an issue since

-Scott- wrote:Crikey dad! Don't listen to bogged. We don't.

Well its kept him away from the thread since!

dad wrote:

-Scott- wrote:Crikey dad! Don't listen to bogged. We don't.

Well its kept him away from the thread since!

it has?

want33s wrote:

money_killer wrote:
i was thinking of locking my front up, but wonder how the standard cv's will hold up. atm i go every where i want to go alot of thrashing and wheels every where lol

Don't do it!!!!!
It makes a Zook a REAL pig to steer and is generally a PITA getting out to unlock a hub all the time...

If you must weld a diff don't bother with nuts and bolts.... Weld the side gears butterfly style like in the link.....
http://www.island4x4.com/4x4tech/axle/weldeddiff1/

Is a bit harder than throwing nuts and bolts but slag eating out the bearings isn't a worry and centre can be re-used to fit an ARB locker at a later date if wanted.

Tried it like that ... ended up crushing through the welds .. wound up welding everything to everything .. didn't break anymore.

love_mud wrote: Tried it like that ... ended up crushing through the welds ..

yeah, ive seen this before too...

hahaha another snapped front long cv today??? come on dad buy a vitara

had one...

Here's a pic how a mate welded the diff in our VH Commo dirt circuit car. It's a borg warner diff. He split open the centre, pulled out the spider gears and pin, and just welded the 2 side gears to the carrier (weld all the way around). Had to grind down a lip on the opposite side of the carrier so it would bolt 2gether, but works well! My mate said he's done heaps and none have broken yet.

Jesus .... I hope Barnsey doesnt see this ......


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He'll have kittens
no seat bealt
no warning light
only one fork holding the load

and we wont mention the PPE the 'operator' is wearing

V8Patrol wrote: only one fork holding the load

There's no forks touching there mate, car is mid air.

hahaha PPE??? safety training??? wheres the aussie safety boots?(double pluggers) laid bricks wearing them before... hahaha

dad wrote:

V8Patrol wrote: only one fork holding the load

There's no forks touching there mate, car is mid air.

is that suzuki getting through the first layer of gravity....!!!!

main problem i can see he is driving a toyota and not a KOMATSU

haha bodge weld failed!!!! all bolts and sockets that were welded in snapped out....

lets see, we might have to put a crap load of more welds in...