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hey all wat to make sum shackles up for my suki and wanting to know wat size they need to be thickness? thanks just took my spoa out and put it back to stanted and wat sum more high.. no cash atm thats all

Mod Edit: Hi Everyone, I am just after some infomation about shackles. I have just taken the SPOA out of my sierraand i need to gain a bit of height. What thickness and material would you recomend. Im running short on the cash front at the moment, so any hints on how to keep the cost down would be great.

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Someguyonouterlimits.

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zukimudman wrote:hey all wat to make sum shackles up for my suki and wanting to know wat size they need to be thickness? thanks just took my spoa out and put it back to stanted and wat sum more high.. no cash atm thats all

I would think that with 17 spelling and grammar errors in a post totaling 44 words, you should spend your cash on a dictionary
Peter.

Ps, search in your friend (sometimes)

droopypete wrote:

zukimudman wrote:hey all wat to make sum shackles up for my suki and wanting to know wat size they need to be thickness? thanks just took my spoa out and put it back to stanted and wat sum more high.. no cash atm thats all

I would think that with 17 spelling and grammar errors in a post totaling 44 words, you should spend your cash on a dictionary
Peter.

Ps, search in your friend (sometimes)

Perhaps this poor bugga has an underlying issue that none of us are aware of? Perhaps it isnt his fault? Not everyone in this world is perfect mate.. bit of respect goes a long way sometimes!!

thanks mate the keyboard is playing up bloody wirless ones i reposted it ALL FIXED UP FOR U PPL THAT PICK ON EVERYTHING THE TYPED WRONG IN THE POST

droopypete wrote: Ps, search in your friend (sometimes)

ouch!.......that sounds like an interesting night out!

get it up there wrote:

droopypete wrote:

zukimudman wrote:hey all wat to make sum shackles up for my suki and wanting to know wat size they need to be thickness? thanks just took my spoa out and put it back to stanted and wat sum more high.. no cash atm thats all

I would think that with 17 spelling and grammar errors in a post totaling 44 words, you should spend your cash on a dictionary
Peter.

Ps, search in your friend (sometimes)

Perhaps this poor bugga has an underlying issue that none of us are aware of? Perhaps it isnt his fault? Not everyone in this world is perfect mate.. bit of respect goes a long way sometimes!!

It has nothing to do with a lack of respect for an individual, more of a desire to stop the ever prevalent "SMS speak" that is infecting and degrading communication globally, people are becoming very lazy communicators.
Peter.

haha, "infecting and degrading".. now this bit is true!!

hmmmm, searching "in" your friend, this also could be infectious and degrading!!

10mm Plate should be strong enough. Also consider C section, as the extra strength in the shape of the material means you can get a smaller size. I have had 10mm plate shackles, and also 4mm c-section shackles. Both held up to plenty of wheeling. Im now back on standard shackels though trying to get my rig lower. remember that making longer shackles is ilegal too, incase your worried about keeping the vehicle legal. It is also a pretty average way to gain height. Unless you are running longer springs and modified mounts extended shackles will probably make your rig worse in the end. Why do you need the extra height, is there something else you could change?

Layto....

I also edited your first post and title to keep the peanut gallery in check.

X2 to what Layton said. I've built lots and lots of shackles out of 3mm thick 25X50 C channel, and while they do wear eventually, I've never seen one bend.

However, longer shackles are a terrible way of gaining height, especially in the front where they mess up caster and ruin handling.

Longer shackles can be part of a well built leaf spring suspension, but they are not a quick fix for more lift. For every inch extend the shackle, you lift the car 1/2 an inch. That's not a smart way to get lift.

Steve.

PS low is the new lift - all the cool kids are lowering their cars.

oh ok then i did like the height from the spoa but handled like a pig and the steering dont even go there, cos i got rear welded and front lockrite, with standed springs it will be ok ? wat type of travel will it have. thanks for the help with the first post didnt relise that i messed it up that much. come on here for help not to be put down. hope to here from u soon

Why not do a body lift instead? it is cheap and easy to install.

For shackles you can just cut two bits of plate with a crush tube in the middle if your after cheap and easy, or bunnings make some heavy duty mounts for shelving that are 90 degree's you can cut and drill these adding the crush tube and drilling holes for the bolts. However by the time you get high tensile bolts (yes they need to be HT or they bend), nuts, ect... i would just buy some premade ones or a BL off E-ghay.

oh ok wats involed in a body lift ?

A body lift is easy as. Just watch your brake lines, fuel filler hose and one other thing i can't remember.... was a year ago now... Also without an engineers report its illegal, and don't go over 2" of BL

i used 50x8mm flatbar cut to 150mm lengths. 100mm eye-eye and M12x90 G8.8 bolts with nyloc nuts.

Cost about $6 per shackle.

I wouldnt use them if your chasing lift or more space for tyres though. I only extended mine because my shackles were inverting.

I personally wouldnt do this on the front either.

oh ok brake lines are all good i got longer ones from when i had the spoa in it. im runing 30s on 8 inch rims with standed lift and also twin locked

Sounds like you don't need any lift at all- 30's pretty much fit standard.

I'd just run some quality springs like OME and call it good. I wouldn't bother with a body lift for 30's.

Steve.

ome is that the brand wat 2'' or wat size?

OME=Old Man Emu - as sold by ARB.

They are just under 2" of lift if you run the right springs. Lots of people by the heavy load springs and get heaps of lift and wonder where all their flex went.

The ride is much better than stock with OME springs.

It is not possible to run more than 2" of lift with springs in standard mounts on a sierra and have reasonable ride and flex. Keep the lift low and you'll get the best outcome.

Steve.

oh ok kool thanks mate ill keep u all posted

lay80n wrote:10mm Plate should be strong enough. Also consider C section, as the extra strength in the shape of the material means you can get a smaller size. I have had 10mm plate shackles, and also 4mm c-section shackles. Both held up to plenty of wheeling.

Why do people make them so thick ? Mine are 4 inches longer then stock and only 5mm thick and without a cross brace and have never come close to bending. The only issues I have is slight sideways movement of the diff when at full flex, which has more to do with the length then thickness.


** Excuse the smoke
Mine arent ideal and I will be shortening them in the future, but most extended shackles I have seen are made from around 10mm stuff so I was just curious as to the reasoning behind it.

VR Rodeo wrote: Mine arent ideal and I will be shortening them in the future, but most extended shackles I have seen are made from around 10mm stuff so I was just curious as to the reasoning behind it.

Most people use 10mm cos its strong. Thats not to say that you can;t use a thinner material successfully though.

I sell extended shackles, and the only reason I use 10mm side plates is cos my centre brace needed to be 10mm to maintan adiquate strength due to its design, so it was just easier to use 10mm for the whole thing.

Can't hurt.............

the reason im asking bout the shackles is cos i have just taken out my spoa and i did like the height and flex it had and cos im low on cash atm im trying to find out out ways to get abit of more hight and that with standed springs in it

easy. leave your standard springs in, keep the standard shackle, put it back to spoa. sounds like you like it that high and you say the flex was good and seeing as though your low on cash, use the parts you had. or
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/samsteering.htm the stage one kit is no more than springs or shocks

yeh but spoa was done really bad the steering arm kept on bending and that

zukimudman wrote:the reason im asking bout the shackles is cos i have just taken out my spoa and i did like the height and flex it had and cos im low on cash atm im trying to find out out ways to get abit of more hight and that with standed springs in it

If your just after height throw the shackle idea out. Yes it will get maybe an inch or so at the most, but it really is a hack way of chasing an inch. If your trying to fit bigger tyres, just trim the guards. What do you acutally need more lift for?

Layto....

OK, so you have standard springs, but you want more lift cheaply. You could pull your packs out and reset them. If you do, don't aim for much extra height as it will ruin your shackle angle with standard Sierra springs all round (i'd aim for around 30 or 40mm taller). This wont give you extra flex, but will raise the car if thats what you want.

a thread with some info on resetting:
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic170322.php
2 posts near the bottom by myself and 'BlueSuzy' are the ones you want to read.


Are you the bloke in the SWB white softop with the spring over that broke its front diff or something out Ripley a few months ago?

cheap lift is an oxymoron...

I'm guessing your SPOA wasn't legal and that?
And I'm guessing it wasn't done particularly well and that?

I reckon just put it back to standard and that and just drive it. Spend your money fixing up all the other bits tha are probably a bit dodgy as well and that.

Play nice ...
It is fun and easy to target newbs, somewhat unproductive though.

VR Rodeo wrote:

lay80n wrote:10mm Plate should be strong enough. Also consider C section, as the extra strength in the shape of the material means you can get a smaller size. I have had 10mm plate shackles, and also 4mm c-section shackles. Both held up to plenty of wheeling.

Why do people make them so thick ? Mine are 4 inches longer then stock and only 5mm thick and without a cross brace and have never come close to bending. The only issues I have is slight sideways movement of the diff when at full flex, which has more to do with the length then thickness.


** Excuse the smoke
Mine arent ideal and I will be shortening them in the future, but most extended shackles I have seen are made from around 10mm stuff so I was just curious as to the reasoning behind it.

i bent 10mm shackles on my old ute
but i got that in some pretty crazy spots if you wheel hard i wouldnt go any less then 8mm