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Just after info from anybody that may have done this? I am keen on hearing pros & cons.

What would be the choice of the Ford straight 6 (from what series)?

Who does adapter kits etc?

I swear blind i have seen a thread on this before, buggered if i can find it though.

I have got the 3F at this point in time which does still goes well, however there is going to come a time when it's going to require a rebuild or replaced.

Why not just put a toyota 4.5 twin cam six in?

1) it will bolt in (bellhousing will bolt to your gearbox)

2)ready made wiring harness (swap from donor car)no smart lock to worry about

3)more durable reliable engine

4)more cubes

5)more power more advanced design (except for latest offerings by ford)

the money u save on the initial buy price of the engine will me spent times over on the conversion costs

i think ive seen someone on here or 4wdaction put a xr6turbo in his middy.

thrashlux wrote:Why not just put a toyota 4.5 twin cam six in?

1) it will bolt in (bellhousing will bolt to your gearbox)

2)ready made wiring harness (swap from donor car)no smart lock to worry about

3)more durable reliable engine

4)more cubes

5)more power more advanced design (except for latest offerings by ford)

the money u save on the initial buy price of the engine will me spent times over on the conversion costs

I'm thinking better economy from the Ford six.

Toyo80 wrote:

thrashlux wrote:Why not just put a toyota 4.5 twin cam six in?

1) it will bolt in (bellhousing will bolt to your gearbox)

2)ready made wiring harness (swap from donor car)no smart lock to worry about

3)more durable reliable engine

4)more cubes

5)more power more advanced design (except for latest offerings by ford)

the money u save on the initial buy price of the engine will me spent times over on the conversion costs

I'm thinking better economy from the Ford six.

the economy, or lack of it will come predominantly from hauling that big heavy landcruiser around... nothing will solve that.

i'm a huge falcon I6 fan, but i think you'd have to go the latest offering to make it worth while

Toyo80 wrote:

thrashlux wrote:Why not just put a toyota 4.5 twin cam six in?

1) it will bolt in (bellhousing will bolt to your gearbox)

2)ready made wiring harness (swap from donor car)no smart lock to worry about

3)more durable reliable engine

4)more cubes

5)more power more advanced design (except for latest offerings by ford)

the money u save on the initial buy price of the engine will me spent times over on the conversion costs

I'm thinking better economy from the Ford six.

hmm i dont really think so
its a hell of a lot more car to push around thru the air and to get moving than the falcon

the latest fords are good but only the very latest and they are not proven in the long term yet i just think in this case nothing will be gained

if you are looking at xr6 turbo engines u may as well turbo the 1fz they put out massive power

i dont really think there would be much difference in consumption between the ford six and the toyota six either would be better than your old push rod jobbie

At this stage i have only spoken to two people who have done the Ford conversion though this was with 1 a 60 series who thought it was a good choice, more power, lighter engine than the 2 or 3f he had.

The second was a 75 series who said it was the best thing he ever did.

Still be nice to know of someone that has done it to the 80.

On the 4.5 injected

what dollars are they going for ? as the Ford engines can be had from $300- for a decent one or $500-900 for a good one including some of the BA speced engines.

What would be required for the 4.5 Toyota engine apart from engine ecu?

i have a 250x-flow-C4-60's t-case in mine. Used the Marks Adaptor kit

Toyo80 wrote:At this stage i have only spoken to two people who have done the Ford conversion though this was with 1 a 60 series who thought it was a good choice, more power, lighter engine than the 2 or 3f he had.

The second was a 75 series who said it was the best thing he ever did.

Still be nice to know of someone that has done it to the 80.

On the 4.5 injected

what dollars are they going for ? as the Ford engines can be had from $300- for a decent one or $500-900 for a good one including some of the BA speced engines.

What would be required for the 4.5 Toyota engine apart from engine ecu?

they range from about $1000 to $2500 there are plenty of bargins to be had lots of people pulling them out to do v8 conversions or diesel conversions
ypur best bet would be to find some one who has pulled one out as they would most likely have the fly wheel and bellhousing engine mounts , ecu the lot

then you could just go to the wreckers for any other items

u will need

engine
engine mounts
bell housing
flywheel
ecu
engine wiring loom (ecu >engine )normally stays with engine
body loom (optional ) u dont need this but it would make life a bolt up ,plug in affair

you should be able to get all that for under 2500- 3000
and do it in a weekend

with eth ford engine
engine 900
bell housing 700
wiring ?????? u need to get the smart lock removed from the computer
then u need to find some one to wire it up
custom engine mounts
custom clutch
radiator fans
aircon
power str
i dont think you will get out of it for under $3000
i spent 800 just on hoses ie aircon ,power steer, water,fuel lines bla bla

time factor who knows
you have to count on so many other people thats the killer

is yours efi now???

WICKED wrote:i have a 250x-flow-C4-60's t-case in mine. Used the Marks Adaptor kit

is it faster than a stk 80 with a 4.5

cross flow had like 100kw std and peaked out at 4200 rpm

plus it is not legal in an 80 unless u run it on gas

WICKED wrote:i have a 250x-flow-C4-60's t-case in mine. Used the Marks Adaptor kit

your what? MQ?

or 80?

My engine currently is the 3f carbi. I'm thinking of doing this conversion not so much for power (though a bonus) but for better economy.

Toyo80 wrote:My engine currently is the 3f carbi. I'm thinking of doing this conversion not so much for power (though a bonus) but for better economy.

if power is not paramount, why not just put it on LPG?

Toyo80 wrote:My engine currently is the 3f carbi. I'm thinking of doing this conversion not so much for power (though a bonus) but for better economy.

Ok well u will be best of getting a main tank from an factory efi truck grab the lines as well makes life a lot easier

you are best to do this no matter what conversion you do if going an efi donk

you cannot just add the fuel pump assy to the carby tank even though it will bolt in
this is because they dont have the inbuilt surge tank inside (to stop it cutting out on angles)

you can of course run 2 external pumps 1 lift and one pressure plus a surge tank but this will cost you more be noisy,messy,subject to foreign object damage and not as reliable

RAY185 wrote:

Toyo80 wrote:My engine currently is the 3f carbi. I'm thinking of doing this conversion not so much for power (though a bonus) but for better economy.

if power is not paramount, why not just put it on LPG?

it really depends on what the truck is going to get used for?
if a touring truck no good due to reduced petrol carrying capacity and loss of clearance

if a around town run about and tow truck that never ventures too off the beaten track (read lpg filling stations)good idea

WICKED wrote:i have a 250x-flow-C4-60's t-case in mine. Used the Marks Adaptor kit

Nice. You bought an 80 series now

thrashlux wrote:

RAY185 wrote:

Toyo80 wrote:My engine currently is the 3f carbi. I'm thinking of doing this conversion not so much for power (though a bonus) but for better economy.

if power is not paramount, why not just put it on LPG?

it really depends on what the truck is going to get used for?
if a touring truck no good due to reduced petrol carrying capacity and loss of clearance

if a around town run about and tow truck that never ventures too off the beaten track (read lpg filling stations)good idea

I did have it booked in for gas late last year but pulled the pin due to clearance in the back end & seeing as though we do a fair bit of rock stuff clearance was a priority. I have often thought of the idea of running the 3f on straight gas though but once you start straying from the usual gas tanks the price starts to climb, then there is a carb to suit the straight gas, head work etc.
& then how often will I be filling compared to now.

Toyo80 wrote:My engine currently is the 3f carbi. I'm thinking of doing this conversion not so much for power (though a bonus) but for better economy.

Stuff a petrol engine for economy then, convert to or buy a diesel.

hulsty wrote:

Toyo80 wrote:My engine currently is the 3f carbi. I'm thinking of doing this conversion not so much for power (though a bonus) but for better economy.

Stuff a petrol engine for economy then, convert to or buy a diesel.

Well the funny thing me & the mrs where talking about this today would be ideal & be as much work either way.

I should really start another thread on the 3f- diesel conversion unless people here have done such a thing.

I'm a bit hesitent in getting rid of the 80 i have due to it being in such good nik amongst other things i have done to it.

Toyo80 wrote:

hulsty wrote:

Toyo80 wrote:My engine currently is the 3f carbi. I'm thinking of doing this conversion not so much for power (though a bonus) but for better economy.

Stuff a petrol engine for economy then, convert to or buy a diesel.

Well the funny thing me & the mrs where talking about this today would be ideal & be as much work either way.

I should really start another thread on the 3f- diesel conversion unless people here have done such a thing.

I'm a bit hesitent in getting rid of the 80 i have due to it being in such good nik amongst other things i have done to it.[/quote

lots of options but all bigger dollars how much do u wan to spend?

i have done a few diesel conversions

you need to work out what your budget is and if u want NA or turbo

if you are thinking maybe turbo do it straight away or u will waste a lot of money going down the the 1hz road ie buy 1hz then turbo later is a waste of time it will cost u the same as buying a factory turbo model engine (1hdt)
the factory turbo model has a completely different head and piston design
it is direct injected this gives it a lot more power and better fuel economy than the 1hz with or without a turbo

these are your diesel choices from worst to best

1HZ 2 valve indirect injection na about 96 kw
1HDT 2 valve direct injection turbo about 118 kw
1HDFT 4 valve direct injected turbo about 122 kw
1HDFTE (ute version) 4 valve direct injected turbo efi 122kw (better torque band max torque cuts in at 1400 rpm instead of 2500 in non efi)
1HDFTE (100 series version) 4 valve direct injected turbo efi intercooled 151kw (same low max torque start point 1400 rpm)more than just addition of intercooler has higher boost and different fuelling

1hz start at 2000 for a reasonable one > 1HDFTE 100 series about 11 k

I do not mind the 1HZ, a mate has one in his 80 dx & it does well against another mate with a chev diesel.

The more i think about it the more i want to go diesel route now so thanks to all the fellas who have helped out with the petrol side of things even though it's in the back of my mind as a fall back.

how many k's will you have to cover to recoup the benefits of a diesel conversion tho?

if it's a dedicated rock crawler, enough to need that tiny extra bit of clearance from the gas tank, do you really daily drive it enough to warrant a conversion?

you could mount the tank inside?

I drive when i need to but mostly to go out wheeling.

I'd keep the 3f any day over the 1hz. 1hz is way to slow and not that flash on the fuel for the small power it produces. If your going to go the effort put in a motor that will have better power/economy than the motor you have now or you will have done heaps of work for minimal/no gain.

Has anyone ever heard of fitting the centre point injection from a Ford etc to a 3F? I really like the sound of this.

Toyo80 wrote:I do not mind the 1HZ, a mate has one in his 80 dx & it does well against another mate with a chev diesel.

The more i think about it the more i want to go diesel route now so thanks to all the fellas who have helped out with the petrol side of things even though it's in the back of my mind as a fall back.

there was a guy on here who did the 3f to 1hz (plus a turbo) can't remember his name but it was a red 80 with 'signs' or something written all over it. ( a sign writing business i presume). A fairly straight forward conversion from memory. It doesn't take much to make a 1hz run

You could also look at an early 12 valve turbo motor over the 1hz too.

Like others I am a big ford 6 fan, they are a great motor in both Falcon and Territories, as for getting the latest offering, well, anything from a BA on will be a good motor.

But I also agree that you would be better off putting a 4.5 in it and adding a Turbo if you really want extra power.

Cheers