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Post by **Going_up** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:10 pm

hey guy i'm new here and i just wanna know,
dose anyone know of places in brisbane who will do a sas?
IFS BLOWS! and i wanna get rid of it!

any help would be awesome
cheers

Post by **greenhilux** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:24 pm

i see in your sig that you got a 4'' lift, wouldnt by any chance be a 4'' suspension lift kit??

Post by **Going_up** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:46 pm

nup,
2in, suspention
2in body

i want more, ie: SAS!!!

you can only go up 2 in with ifs b4 you have to spend too much,
and you'll never have the articulation like a solid axle!!

Post by **Surfin Alec** » Mon May 24, 2004 7:53 pm

Just do it......
SASed 2 weeks ago.

Post by **Surfin Alec** » Mon May 24, 2004 7:55 pm

Damn pictures,
just imagine a Surf with heaps of wheel travel and no IFS.
Come for a short holiday in Sydney and give Sam from Overkill a call.

Cheers,

Alec

Website · Post by **killalux** » Mon May 24, 2004 8:04 pm

i think boab 4wd used to do bundera axle conversions into them, or try 4x4 engineering, he may be able to do it, sorry dont have ontact details.

Post by **RUFF** » Mon May 24, 2004 8:26 pm

How much are you wanting to spend? And how long can your rig be off the road? Can you source all the parts for this? Are you good with all things mechanical?

Post by **Going_up** » Tue May 25, 2004 7:36 pm

i'm thinking about getting someone to to it, but i think i could do it myself,
i'm just going to go the the wreckers and take the front end out of a hilux,
i think all i have to do the is get new brackets,
i'm gunna wing it,

thankx for all you help guys, all that info has helped,

How much are you wanting to spend? And how long can your rig be off the road? Can you source all the parts for this? Are you good with all things mechanical?

well i'm going to try and do it on a tight budget and i want my truck off the raod for tops of 3 days...
and all things mech... thats no worries, i build race cars for a living,

think boab 4wd used to do bundera axle conversions into them, or try 4x4 engineering, he may be able to do it, sorry dont have ontact details.

i called boab 4x4 and they said that they dont do them anymore, something about costing too much.

Post by **RUFF** » Tue May 25, 2004 7:43 pm

Do you want to go Leaves or Coils?

What do you want to use it mainly for?

Just want it high and looking good or want to get real serious offroad?

Post by **Going_up** » Tue May 25, 2004 7:59 pm

i want it for serious off road, but the cost of putting in coils is too much, so i'm going leaves,
i'm no poser :cool:

Post by **RUFF** » Tue May 25, 2004 8:08 pm

Thats cool its just if you were looking for more looks than performance then Coils can work out a lot cheaper and easier.

Post by **slosh** » Wed May 26, 2004 7:59 am

Thats cool its just if you were looking for more looks than performance then Coils can work out a lot cheaper and easier.

????????? Please say more Tony. I would have thought leaves to be the cheapest as there are no control arms/ links to bother with.

Post by **RUFF** » Wed May 26, 2004 7:58 pm

slosh wrote:
????????? Please say more Tony. I would have thought leaves to be the cheapest as there are no control arms/ links to bother with.

Ok if he goes with a leaf conversion he is either going to have to also convert to a leaf steering box (aprox$450 for power steer) or he will need to buy a crossover steering arm($390 from superior engineering) then custom steering riods are also going to be needed.

You should be able to buy a complete Bundera front set up for around $1000 total and this should include steering links,High pinion centre and all mounts cut from a chassie. Then its a basic conversion. However the bundera radius arm set up is not the best for serious offroading. Im talking the serious offroading that im used to. General offroad work should be fine.

Post by **Going_up** » Thu May 27, 2004 9:18 pm

fabrication parts is east, i was going to make my own x over steering setup,(i'm a fitter & turner, ie; i buid race cars),
i'm starting to figuer out wat i need now, i'm going to go with the leafsetup, i got a new leaf p/s box $50,

i figured it will cost me $600 to compleat,

and also going with leaf, it's basic and easy to fix, and install

so come tax time i'm gunna start choppin'

Post by **spazbot** » Thu May 27, 2004 9:48 pm

if you going crossover you ifs steering box will be needed and not a std leaf sprung box

Post by **Going_up** » Fri May 28, 2004 5:00 pm

oh, well that was a waste of $50,

i'm gunna have to buy one anyway cause my ps box has just about shit itself, it's leaking like a sive, i know it's a matter of changing a seal.... but i'm lazy, i'll just put in a new one wen i do the front end

Post by **MQ080** » Fri May 28, 2004 5:08 pm

Just check with others beofre you go ahead with it also... I know surfection had dramas with his however on the other hand Surfin Alec's appears from the photos to do quite well. My suggestion is that many could do the mod, but less can set up the steering caster/camber/toe/etc. correctly.

Post by **Going_up** » Fri May 28, 2004 5:21 pm

cross that bridge when i get to it

:cool:

Post by **Surfection** » Fri May 28, 2004 5:35 pm

Going_up wrote:cross that bridge when i get to it

Or how about you get a little more detailed info before you start. It's the best thing you could do to the truck but it has to be done right. Use a well known company for your high/crossover steering, also make sure you take the time to strip the diff housing and either pay to have the knockles cut off and rotated [to regain castor] or do it carefully yourself. I think 7 degrees or there abouts of positive castor is the norm [others will know better]. Brace your spring hangers etc, but you should already know that part. Maybe ask for some details from guys that have done it and run it for a while. Hophoar did his runner about 10 months ago so he should have some great feedback.

Cheers, Jeremy

Post by **4sum4** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:14 pm

weld 2" box section across the front cross member then weld your hangers to that (help to clear the pitman arm) and also if your going to drill a hole through the chassis for the shackle I wouldn`t go anything less than 2" leafs
and what size tyres are you going to run there comes problems with that to
The front shaft needs to be lengthen aswell :!:

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:20 pm

RUFF wrote:
slosh wrote:
????????? Please say more Tony. I would have thought leaves to be the cheapest as there are no control arms/ links to bother with.

Ok if he goes with a leaf conversion he is either going to have to also convert to a leaf steering box (aprox$450 for power steer) or he will need to buy a crossover steering arm($390 from superior engineering) then custom steering riods are also going to be needed.

You should be able to buy a complete Bundera front set up for around $1000 total and this should include steering links,High pinion centre and all mounts cut from a chassie. Then its a basic conversion. However the bundera radius arm set up is not the best for serious offroading. Im talking the serious offroading that im used to. General offroad work should be fine.

Ruff we have done a Bunder one and it was heaps more than leaves. The diff was $1400 with the radius arms and steering arms.
The drag link doesn't work we ended up using 80 series arms for better clearance and the time to make coil mounts way out cost the spring hangers.
I agree though coils are only good for the pose factor we get better offroad performance out of leaves.
SAM

Post by **NICK** » Fri May 28, 2004 9:24 pm

sam, when you say you used 80s, do you mean the front radius arms? i have never know a bundera front end to go in without using the 80s arms. the opening where the rod runs is larger so they dont rub on compression, i believe it has to do with the fact that bundera arms sit flat and you cant get them to sit flat in a hilux.

Well you could, but it would be mini truck low.

NICK

Post by **hophoar** » Sat May 29, 2004 7:43 am

If your contemplating doing it yourself its reasltively easy, biggest nightmare is cutting all the crap IFS off and cleaning the frame up.
Drilling the chassis is a piece of piss. I used a 2" dropped front hanger and 1.5" longer than standard shackles. I didn't need to cut and rotate the hubs . If your using rear springs up front then get some banana shackles to clear the body mount hanger.
The next question will be what are you going to do with the rear to match the front. Leafs will be the easiest or if you can move the gas tank you can use a A frame link setup.
best advise is to get on Pirate4x4 and read everything you can.

John

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Sat May 29, 2004 10:55 pm

NICK wrote:sam, when you say you used 80s, do you mean the front radius arms? i have never know a bundera front end to go in without using the 80s arms. the opening where the rod runs is larger so they dont rub on compression, i believe it has to do with the fact that bundera arms sit flat and you cant get them to sit flat in a hilux.

Well you could, but it would be mini truck low.

NICK

Correct

Post by **Going_up** » Sun May 30, 2004 6:28 pm

i've figured out most of wat i'm going to do, wenit comes to the install and parts,

but i'm still having trouble figureing out steering,

Post by **dreama** » Sun May 30, 2004 7:51 pm

i used snakeracing cross-over and in the end it all worked very well just took me a while to setup

Post by **De-lux** » Mon May 31, 2004 12:36 am

going_up you sure are a stupid person. your car is crap anyway. queer bastard. my truck ownz it.

:cool:

Post by **Surfin Alec** » Mon May 31, 2004 7:22 am

Going_up wrote:i've figured out most of wat i'm going to do, wenit comes to the install and parts,

but i'm still having trouble figureing out steering,

Gotta go the crossover steering. You need to buy / make a double flip arm, make/buy a new steering arm from your steering box to the opposite wheel and your done. I also had Sam make a new tie rod using 80series tie rod ends and some thick as tube (wall thickness is about 10mm) as the histeer arms are almost $1000. pffftt. The steering arm from the box to the flip arm is missing from the wide pic but you get the idea.

This is relevant of course if you are going leaves........not coils.

Cheers,

Alec

Post by **Going_up** » Mon May 31, 2004 4:38 pm

De-lux wrote:going_up you sure are a stupid person. your car is crap anyway. queer bastard. my truck ownz it.

mick, your gay and i dont care,
after i do this u'll have NOTHING!!!
poser

Post by **RUFF** » Mon May 31, 2004 7:11 pm

De-lux wrote:going_up you sure are a stupid person. your car is crap anyway. queer bastard. my truck ownz it.

Dude you are running 5" of lift for a set of pissy little 32" Tall tires I think you need to STFU :finger:

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