Outer Limits 4x4 Board

im thinking about doing some upgrading in the suspension department
but am not sure what is what, as it sits at the moment it has 4" spring lift drop boxes and upgraded trailing arms, can i get some suggestions on what would be a worth it and what has been successful.
also the names and places to go talk to people that really know there stuff.

pm shane his user name is suspensionstuff i think, open to correction tho, iirc there is a new bolt up fox smoothie coil over that uses factory mounts for gq

i've ran coil overs in my old GU for years, i do a front fit kit for them.

there are lots of options and opinions.

you need to be sure about what you want out of the rig befor you start

im looking to improve flex and down travel and improve all round ride quality.
i've seen others with shock loops, remote resevoirs, hydrulic bump stops.
im not sure if i need that stuff.

i think i need someone to talk to or place to go is there a place round melbourne that are into doing this stuff?

better flex =
The right front/rear spring rates. Superior super flex arm and corectly choosen lenght shocks with the right valving, in conjunction with the drop boxes and other bits you already have.
IMO anyway.

Rowan Canavan sells kings coil overs and has lots experiance with patrols.
can be contacted on 0417395295
Sandy at aus 4wd does a good job of installing coilovers and triple bypass shocks etc. (03)97294855

front seems to work pretty good

That sort of travel can be had without the expense.

12"stroke Bolt ons with slinky coils, drop boxes.



14"Fox Triple bypass with our slinky coils drop boxes.



Coil overs 12"



Slinky coils will give you longer shocks on standard mounts woth more travel, and be more cost effective, the cost of bolt on Fox isnt much from there, and going to bypass gives valving adjustment, and coil overs give spring rate adjustment by being able to stack coils to give a primary and secondary spring rate.

King also now have a bypass remote res coil over to simplify things and get best of both worlds

your a pissa

your front tyre is 2 foot up the ramp

noisy truck wrote:also the names and places to go talk to people that really know there stuff.

what is your budget first and foremost..

Then people can make suggestions.. some of the gear on offer here is $6k+

Fathillbilly wrote:your a pissa

your front tyre is 2 foot up the ramp

I was thinking that too . Very funny shiat ....

from what i can find out so far is (i think) the fox 2.0 tube is going to be too weak for a patrol, much better with the 2.5 or even the 3.0 but the price skyrockets.

a good cheaper alternative would be the f-o-a shocks, but dont know much about them, only that they apper to be cheaper purchase wise.

coilovers have a number of advantages inc the dual rate coils, and more adjustment then one would need ever in a suspension setup, but you pay for what you get, so be prepaired to fork out a good 1600 per end for the entry level fox coilovers from the us and thats not including shipping

I have a 97 GQ LWB being cut and cams caged to compete in AORC and will be running a TB42E TURBO with 4.11s and rebulit 5 spd

The coilover choices are based on the items on Tim Herbst trophy truck!

I got a verbal quote from WIZARD PERFORMANCE for

2 x 2.5" x 14" Coilovers for the front
4 x 2.0" x 16" " " for the rear.

$2800 for the front
$4000 for the rear

I will be removing all existing suspension components and hangers.
extending the rear lower control arms 100mm
A frame the upper control arms.

OPW PERFORMANCE sell RACERUNNER COILOVERS at very good prices!

It will all happen in time tho.

BigrigCQ wrote:I have a 97 GQ LWB being cut and cams caged to compete in AORC and will be running a TB42E TURBO with 4.11s and rebulit 5 spd

id check up on that one... 6 Litre maximum engine capacity, including forced induction. i believe the biggest forced induction engine you can use is 3.5 or close too it (hence all the class ones running turbod GTO motors)

just check the rules before you spend all your money, id hate to have to change motor after you get to a race for scrutineering.

i was looking at spending about 4000 to 4500 grand plus then you've got to add the 10% extra you always go over budget so if i can have it done for 5 grand id be happy.

thanks all for the info and contacts i'll be picking some peoples brains through the week.

chunderlicious wrote:

BigrigCQ wrote:I have a 97 GQ LWB being cut and cams caged to compete in AORC and will be running a TB42E TURBO with 4.11s and rebulit 5 spd

id check up on that one... 6 Litre maximum engine capacity, including forced induction. i believe the biggest forced induction engine you can use is 3.5 or close too it (hence all the class ones running turbod GTO motors)

just check the rules before you spend all your money, id hate to have to change motor after you get to a race for scrutineering.

Valid point Chunderlicious. I met a bloke building a off road racer, thought he would be smart and build a 383, put him over capacity.

BigrigCQ wrote:The coilover choices are based on the items on Tim Herbst trophy truck!

I got a verbal quote from WIZARD PERFORMANCE for

2 x 2.5" x 14" Coilovers for the front
4 x 2.0" x 16" " " for the rear.

Most trophy trucks run 3" coil over and 3" multi bypass shockers on each corner at least, some of these guys are running 4" Bypass shocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8mpXs3zjxw

Why 2 lots of 2" diameter on the rear?

Fathillbilly wrote:your a pissa

your front tyre is 2 foot up the ramp

In relation to a 44 gal drum, when the ramp is 55" high, and the drum is 35"high, the first pic is 11 "up the ramp, the second is 7"up the ramp, and the fork is holding the coil over truck aprox 12"above the drum, give or take afew inches [not the 2 feet your thinking ]

Given they drove to that point, over picking it up with the fork, too, compared to your second pic where it looks like it got as far as the drum height only.

Bolt on for $2k, or custom for 7-10k, is afew inches of travel if any, worth ther extra?

Thats up to the owner to decide

To run long coil overs or bypass, in your wagon, that will use all the arms travel they will go to, you will need to cut holes in the floor, and shorten your storage drawers, and cut the front inner fenders out too.

Assassin_Offroad wrote:

Fathillbilly wrote:your a pissa

your front tyre is 2 foot up the ramp

In relation to a 44 gal drum, when the ramp is 55" high, and the drum is 35"high, the first pic is 11 "up the ramp, the second is 7"up the ramp, and the fork is holding the coil over truck aprox 12"above the drum, give or take afew inches [not the 2 feet your thinking ]

So now you can't read either, this is great.

I'll write again in big letters

Your front tyre is 2 foot up the ramp

I guess in the other pic of my old ute, the ramp just got there by magic

so much articulation that some gremlin slid it under there while u weren't watching

Fathillbilly wrote:
So now you can't read either, this is great.

I'll write again in big letters

Your front tyre is 2 foot up the ramp

Uhm, hello pot ....calling kettle, ....come in kettle ......???

I measured how far up the ramp the front tyree was, and gave you the measurements, and your still trying to say 2 feet ? as a guess ?

Do you have any measurements ?

Or is near enough, good enough for you?.

"Assassin_Offroad"
I have seen your "bolt on" work for coil overs in the flesh when I was in Geelong and you cant compare them to custom work like Cass Jones or Sandy Bowmen do. (and others, but I havent looked at closely so cant name)
Their stuff is more expensive because its real heavy duty compared to yours mate, sorry, no real nice way of putting it but yours is light duty stuff.

So its wrong to compare $2000 to $10,000 when its that different.

chpd80 wrote:"Assassin_Offroad"
I have seen your "bolt on" work for coil overs in the flesh when I was in Geelong and you cant compare them to custom work like Cass Jones or Sandy Bowmen do. (and others, but I havent looked at closely so cant name)
Their stuff is more expensive because its real heavy duty compared to yours mate, sorry, no real nice way of putting it but yours is light duty stuff.

So its wrong to compare $2000 to $10,000 when its that different.

You must be confused, as we dont do bolt on coil overs ?

Bolt ons are that, bolt ons to the original mounts, no real trickery or magic fab required there, just turn the nuts clockwise to do em up tight

Our Fabbed kits to suit coil overs and bypass shocks, which you have to do, to tun the lengths, are closer to 6k installed, or 12k, depending on how much chassis strngthening you wish to do, [or have to do] along the way to go with it.

We did fit out a Outback Challenge truck with our system, the same one which broke the F.A.T arms last event.....

True we design ours differently to most, and have coils which stay captive with 12"and 14"stroke shocks, to run bypass shocks only, as well, but our market is more tough tourers than comp trucks, so we are building to suit 3.8-4.2 tonne trucks to stay maintenace and trouble free for the duration, rather than be carrying spares and wanting to try and break it.

Its all down to - how strong does a mouse trap have to be, to catch a mouse ?






Depends who's making it

So you know,

Bolt on





Custom install