Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Just been searching for some bead lock rims and noticed the bead lock rings on ebay, Just wondering if anyone here has used them and if so what there thoughts are on them??

Here is the link....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-4WD-STEEL-BE ... 3efa9feecb

(Im aware they are illegal but im not too fussed about that.)

Also is there anywhere in oz that still sells external bead lock rims??

Cheers john.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic197125.php

These are the locks you want to get and use!!
Heaps of people on this forum use them and are damn happy with them.
Chris (roktoy) is great to deal with and has a damn good turn around time on his locks. Did i mention they are a heap stronger then those Flea bay ones.

Thats fantastic, thanks heaps mate....

Cheers John.

nottie wrote:http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic197125.php

These are the locks you want to get and use!!
Heaps of people on this forum use them and are damn happy with them.
Chris (roktoy) is great to deal with and has a damn good turn around time on his locks. Did i mention they are a heap stronger then those Flea bay ones.

x2

I just got a set

If these are the rings I'm thinking of, the outer ring bends very easy and with a rub on a rock it will not seal correctly.

If you buy some post up the specs on the rings. If you would like to do it. Please, the thickness on the rings both inner and outer.

nastytroll wrote:If these are the rings I'm thinking of, the outer ring bends very easy and with a rub on a rock it will not seal correctly.

If you buy some post up the specs on the rings. If you would like to do it. Please, the thickness on the rings both inner and outer.

I know a few blokes that run these and Yes they have bend them but the have repaired them with a hammer and a block of wood.

advanti is running the ebay ones (looks like them from the add)
they apear to be very well made, fit the treps very well.
the top ring has a fully folded lip, looks strong, doesnt bend

i have the roctoy ones as rim strengtheners, works great for me

WICKED wrote:

nastytroll wrote:If these are the rings I'm thinking of, the outer ring bends very easy and with a rub on a rock it will not seal correctly.

If you buy some post up the specs on the rings. If you would like to do it. Please, the thickness on the rings both inner and outer.

I know a few blokes that run these and Yes they have bend them but the have repaired them with a hammer and a block of wood.

If these are the same ones Cheezy had on the black swb then he had all sorts of leaking problems when I spoke to him about them. I have spoken with others that had them too that also had leaking issues.

From memory the outer ring is pressed 3mm plate and distorts easily.

11_evl, I will talk to Brett about what he is running, thanks.

WICKED wrote:

nastytroll wrote:If these are the rings I'm thinking of, the outer ring bends very easy and with a rub on a rock it will not seal correctly.

If you buy some post up the specs on the rings. If you would like to do it. Please, the thickness on the rings both inner and outer.

I know a few blokes that run these and Yes they have bend them but the have repaired them with a hammer and a block of wood.

If these are the same ones Cheezy had on the black swb then he had all sorts of leaking problems when I spoke to him about them. I have spoken with others that had them too that also had leaking issues.

From memory the outer ring is pressed 3mm plate and distorts easily.

11_evl, I will talk to Brett about what he is running, thanks.

If these are the ones...... Which ones are people talking about the Ebay ones, or Roktoys ones?






Those ebay ones are sold by gujohnno on here... check his members thread for pics and stuff

ive got them, and they work just fine

ajsr wrote:ive got them, and they work just fine

Which ones???

well that just get's confusing.

I think I'd use the roktoy ones over ebay all the way.

Or look at internal beadlocks. I run beadlock Australia ones.

$680 set of 4, 15"x8" ROH rims.

Never a problem and they're road legal, I'm led to believe, if not, well they're hardly as noticeable as external locks. Just a second tyre valve to show that they are there.
No balance problems or whatever. Just another option you could be interested in.

Staun do the same things. Bit dearer last time I checked though.

Beadlock australia are the same guys that do dynamica winch rope and stuff.

imho internal beadlocks are pathetic

I have the 6mm rocktoy ones and they are great

They have been through a rock comp, lots of social wheeling, 4wd extreme show and are still great besides some good rockrash.

When i put mine together i ran a bead of sikaflex around the lip to be clamped so it never leaked.

Im not really interested in internals to be honest, Too expensive and ive never rolled an inner tyre off the bead only outers. Im after the wank factor look as well as the Advantage of the outer bead lock. Yes i said wank factor look, at least im being honest haha.

So can those who have posted about "those ones" please clarify which ones they are talking about?? I noticed zoltan said his are made out of 6mm plate yet nasty troll mention 3mm plate so im assuming nasty troll is talking about the ebay ones?

Cheers John.

Any mechanical beadlock will leak if the inner ring is not welded to the wheel properly and sealed over the weld.

In saying that not one of my customers has ever complained about their beadlocks leaking, so i guess they work fine

From what i can read "those ones" that are being referred to are the 3mm thick rolled lip type beadlocks. Mine are 6mm flat plate and alot chunkier, so i guess it just depends what sort you are after.
None of them are legal on the road, since they require wheel modifications.

Chris

'and they're road legal, I'm led to believe, if not, well they're hardly as noticeable as external locks'

Not, any mod to a wheel is illegal in Queensland, including drilling an extra hole

Ours use a spun 5mm outer ring and a 6mm inner ring, no spacers need between inner and out ring and a lot more rigid than the 3mm version with the return lip

Roctoy Designfab wrote:...
None of them are legal on the road, since they require wheel modifications.

Chris

If you are including internal beadlocks in that, then you are incorrect (see below):

Ryano wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote:

Ryano wrote: If you get an approved rim repairer to drill the hole, the rim is legal.
According to the Staun Internal Beadlock Disclaimer they are for "Off Highway Use Only!"

Cheers,
Ryano

I've since had a chat to Staun about this. The disclaimer is for the US market only (Don't know why they didn't mention that in the disclaimer ).
Apparently they are 100% legal and approved for use on Australian roads.

ISUZUROVER wrote:

nastytroll wrote: Apparently there is a company selling rims with 2 valve stem holes now though.

Staun have approached Performance wheels to have a selection of their range to suit internals. It's all going ahead and available now. This will mean that the rim is a factory manufactured and tested rim that will have the second valve hole in it for the internals. So there will be off the shelf options for internal beadlocks to be legal.

Cheers,
Ryano

ISUZUROVER wrote:

ajsr wrote:ive got them, and they work just fine

Which ones???

ebay ones (gu johnno)

I was refering to the Ebay bead locks previously as that was what the thread was about. The bead locks Fathillbilly has posted up would be much better. My beadlocks use a cast steel outer and it is around 6mm thick with a 4-5mm inner ring. I have never seen anyone have much success with the internal beadlocks. Internals seam to be a better option in some respectsbut they require a strengthening ring if being used hard and most people I know (I thing all but a few) that have used them have had problems with them getting flat tubes.

Fathillbilly wrote:Ours use a spun 5mm outer ring and a 6mm inner ring, no spacers need between inner and out ring and a lot more rigid than the 3mm version with the return lip

are your beadlocks these ones for sale on ebay or different ?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... K:MEWAX:IT

oozuk wrote:
are your beadlocks these ones for sale on ebay or different ?

I don't believe they are INDURO (FAT) bead locks.
The look like TRIK bead locks.
I have seen and sold both and the INDURO ones feel more solid. I can't quote materials but the trik ones are lighter which i would presume to be weaker..

So do the flat (roctoy) rings damage the tyre?

Most of the others (FAT, Trik etc) have rolled rings, that said the rolled ring may be more prone to catching and bending.

sierrajim wrote:So do the flat (roctoy) rings damage the tyre?

Most of the others (FAT, Trik etc) have rolled rings, that said the rolled ring may be more prone to catching and bending.

I haven't had any reports from anyone running mine (including my own sets) that they damage the tire. There must be close to 50 sets out there now.

Roctoy Designfab wrote:

sierrajim wrote:So do the flat (roctoy) rings damage the tyre?

Most of the others (FAT, Trik etc) have rolled rings, that said the rolled ring may be more prone to catching and bending.

I haven't had any reports from anyone running mine (including my own sets) that they damage the tire. There must be close to 50 sets out there now.

with the Roctoy rings what centralizes the tire in the beadlocks ?
With beadlocks with the rolled outer ring, the tire is centralized by the beadlocks rolled outer ring. With the rocktoy outer rings being flat what centralizes the tires bead in the beadlocks ?

oozuk wrote:

Roctoy Designfab wrote:

sierrajim wrote:So do the flat (roctoy) rings damage the tyre?

Most of the others (FAT, Trik etc) have rolled rings, that said the rolled ring may be more prone to catching and bending.

I haven't had any reports from anyone running mine (including my own sets) that they damage the tire. There must be close to 50 sets out there now.

with the Roctoy rings what centralizes the tire in the beadlocks ?
With beadlocks with the rolled outer ring, the tire is centralized by the beadlocks rolled outer ring. With the rocktoy outer rings being flat what centralizes the tires bead in the beadlocks ?

Hey Steve.

The tire still sits on the inner bead normally so unless the tire is moulded out of centre for the most part it will sit on centre with the rim on the other side, however, in saying that, it can still move about as the beadlocks are being bolted up.
With my ones in most cases the bead of the tire squashes enough to reach the outer edge of the bolts, as these are positioned on centre with the ring, the tire naturally centres iteslf as itcomes into contact with the bolts.
In some cases as well (BFG especially) some tires have that stupid bead protector thickening on the tire. My outer rings are so close to the same size as that they can also centre up when the ring is tightenned.

Hope that helps

Steve, I have roctoy rings at home if you want to come check how they line up
let me know

trik and cheezy beadlocks are spun in lillydale and having talked to the guy who does the spinning the trik ones are 2mm thinner lighter and stronger due to the extra edge formed on them.It's not always about size, sometimes shape is more improtant.

these are the the ones you see on ebay, get them, they're great. my only concern is thier inner ring is too thin, and shold be 6mm not 4mm and cut out of 1 piece not 2.

but for social wheeling they are fine.

if you have the bucks get walker evens

11_evl wrote:Steve, I have roctoy rings at home if you want to come check how they line up
let me know

cheers mike I might take you up on that. I'll give you a call