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HI there. I have a 1988 FJ70 with a 3F on gas and the gearbox is finally rooted. 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear syncros are stuffed and it whines really bad in all gears, particulary 4th. Transfer will need replacing too.

What I would like is some advice on getting a reco/change over box for it at a good price, I'm in west Melbourne but would be prepared to go all over Melbourne for the right thing. I have seen some advertised on ebay but the descriptions are vague and they are in NSW.

Also, it appers there is some confusion about input spline count between models/years, can anyone clear this up for me?? I.E. What is the spline count for the H55F in my car.

Thankyou,

Cheers Brad.

Not sure on what the spline count is but you should be right if you get a box and transfer from any 60 or 75 series with 2F, 3F and possibly 2H motors (not 100% on the 2H box, some say the input shaft is different but I don't believe so).

Probably best to put a wanted ad in the right section on here, they do come up for sale often in the classified section but someone might have what you want right now and locally too.

Only thing you might want to look out for is that some late 60 series had a dash a dash switch for H4 selection.

Thank you. I know about the vacuum operated push button shift and that I can take all that off to convert back to manual, what I really require is a reputable business in Melbourne that can sell me a reco gearbox and transfer at a resonable price. I've been fukcud over already with second hand so it's not an option (More money down the drain)

Cheers Brad.

Fair enough, stay tuned for some local recommendations. I suggest a couple of bottles of wine and lots of lube when you get recon prices.

Good luck.

Hall 4x4 to change over boxes about 2K I think. 2F/3F or 2H box will work. They are all the course spline gearbox.

Don kyatt
172 Roden Street
West Melbourne, Victoria, 3003
P.O. Box 14128, Melbourne , Vic. 8001
Phone: (03) 9329 8200

I have a suspicion that there is a different top cover between the 60 and 70 series H55F's. Specifically the position of where the the shifter comes out.
I recon that the 60 series is about 2 inch further back that the 70 series.
Can anyone confirm this?

I can soon, I currently have a 70 series box being rebuilt with some parts from a 60 box, will compare when I have it all back.

FJ70, I was just thinking, since your box seems to be well and truly stuffed now you might have some trouble rebuilding or changing it over for reco, might be to far gone without some major replacements.

Cheers, thanks heaps for that guys.

I have this posted on IH8MUD as well:

I bought a spare box a few months ago with the intention of replacing the bearings in it to fit to my car. Long story short, the box was opened up before I got it and it looked to have been hosed out and then siliconed back together, it was a right mess inside, rust on most parts due to having no oil in it, so I abandoned that idea, lucky I did, I now know it is the fine spline one!

So I took it apart except for the input shaft bearing, it's stuck on solid.

Now, knowing how expensive the parts are for Toyota I would not want to take my box in to get rebuilt, I'd rather get something already opened up and done. But then begs the question of whether they would take mine as change over....

I brought the car knowing 2nd gear syncros were stuffed so I've been double clutching it, trying to baby it until the other week 3rd and 4th died too, it was only a matter of time. It has the hose between the transfer and gearbox already fitted when I got it and was out of oil so i've kept my eye on the level. Bearing noise in 4th is beyond bearable...

It's not my daily so thats a good thing but I want to get it ready for more fun this winter;)

Cheers Brad.

RAY185 wrote:some say the input shaft is different but I don't believe so).

F and H series parts are the same, B series are unique.

What about the the Gearbox top cover? anyone know if there is any differences between the models?

i just put a 60 series h55 in my 73 series, the only thing different were the output flanges, they are sqaure on the 60 instead of the 70 bein round. As far as the shitfter being different it could be the 4 speed that your thinking of.

Thanks Gibonator, i am half way though replacing the 4 speed with a 5 speed in my HJ60.
Not sure of the history of the box, it came out of a wrecked 55 series.
The problem is that my shifter is way up in the dash, it fouls on the heater duct and i would have to modify the transmission tunnel cover.
Anyone come across this before?
Sorry, cant get a pic as i am away for work.

It would be a 40 series box then

have you swapped the gearsticks over? 45 and 60 series gearboxs sit flat, where as 75s are tilted down a few degrees on the transfer side.

Hi Hulsty, i could be wrong but i didn't think the 40 series came factory with a H55F? Someone had swapped the 5-speed into the 55 series that it came out of from at later model. I assumed it would go straight into my 60. doh!

Gibonator, i bent a big "S" into the gearstick so i could get 1st, 3rd & 5th. Yeah, i could mod the tunnel cover and do away with the fan duct that runs across the tunnel, but i would prefer to keep it nice, therefore, if i can get it confirmed that there is indeed two (or more) different top cover that are INTERCHANGEABLE then i will go that way.

Any clues guys?

Cheers.

Late 40's were available with 5spds, 83-85 I think roughly. Dad had a FJ40 with a 2F/5spd combo, could also get a BJ42 with a 5spd, 3B/5spd combo.

Thanks for your help guys, i guess you learn something new everyday.
Moral of the story for me is that i should do my home work a bit better!

OK, a quick question, can I swap over the input shafts? IE use my coarse spline one to replace the fine one in my spare gear box?

Cheers Brad.

FJ70, yes, you can swap over the input shafts, BUT: if you use a second hand input shaft on a second hand cluster gear you run the risk of having a box that whines due to unevenly worn gears being put together.

You can buy japanese aftermarket parts for the H55F, and cheaper than I have seen on ebay. Shop around and you will find a reasonable price. Try NQ 4x4 and crash up here in Cairns, they used to get a lot of parts from Lunds 4X4 which I believe has gone bust. There was another place in Brisbane (cant think of the name at the moment) something to do with landrovers or like that....

what is your spare gearbox to suit? I may be interested.

hulsty: It's a fine spline one and it had an alloy bellhousing, so I guess later than 1990?

Problem is, it cost me $600 and it is semi pulled apart (I started to pull it down to put the bearing kit I have in it) and i won't get that money back. PM me if you would like to discuss further:)

flyology: I was thinking that and I'm pretty sure I need to find a change over reco box to simplify things.

Cheers Brad

FJ70 wrote:HI there. I have a 1988 FJ70 with a 3F on gas and the gearbox is finally rooted. 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear syncros are stuffed and it whines really bad in all gears, particulary 4th. Transfer will need replacing too.

What I would like is some advice on getting a reco/change over box for it at a good price, I'm in west Melbourne but would be prepared to go all over Melbourne for the right thing. I have seen some advertised on ebay but the descriptions are vague and they are in NSW.

Also, it appers there is some confusion about input spline count between models/years, can anyone clear this up for me?? I.E. What is the spline count for the H55F in my car.

Thankyou,


Cheers Brad.

AgMech in Boronia are the way to go. Just bit the bullet and have it rebuilt. Wont be cheap but it will be as good as new. (03) 9729 4447

Think my 5 speed cost around the $2000 mark last time I had it done.

OK guys, I am armed with a new reco box, clutch kit, freshly machined flywheel and have fitted a new pilot bearing.

Problem is that I was supplied the wrong throw out bearing in the clutch kit and I couldn't bear to use the old one, so I play the waiting game again....

Also, does anyone know which way the clutch plate is supposed to go on these? From memory the protruding part on the spline on the clutch plate goes towards the flywheel?

Cheers Brad.

Cant say specifically with the 3F but the 2H clutch plate will only go in the correct way otherwise the pressure plate bolts will not reach the fly wheel.

Cheers. Just looking at the new kit and the old parts it seems like it would only fit in one way but I just want to be sure as I have all these new goodies I don't really want to stuff up;)

Cheers Brad.

I have a 75 series 1fz box for sale for $600 only done 90 tho k... not sure if its the same?

crankycruiser wrote:I have a 75 series 1fz box for sale for $600 only done 90 tho k... not sure if its the same?

It won't fit and I already have a new one:)

Anyone else able to confirm clutch orientation? I have till the weekend when I get a chance to look at the car again, still waiting for the throwout bearing....

Cheers Brad