Outer Limits 4x4 Board

hey fellas. im lookin to sell my gq in favour for a bit more of a tourer. its been build for serious wheelin and am lookin for something a little nore comfortable.
-needs to b turbo diesel
-coils allround
-4door wagon
-easily customised

have about 15-17k to spend

would love gu but cost a bit much,discoveryII would be nice but full of electrical faults and $$$ to repair,80 series is getting too old so maybe a solid axle 100 but again cost $$$.

then there are prado,paj etc but i would call them real 4x4's

anyway let me know what the best option is or if i have missed out on any possible rigs

Cheers

GU and swap all your gear over..

the costs of startin again are stupid expensive.

yeah. thats what i want but the price of a decent TD42 is too much.

For your budget the disco is the best bet, for a suitable GU you are looking at another 10k or so.

Can't make the GQ work as a tourer?

I wouldn't completely overlook the pajero, or put it in the same box as a prado. I haven't owned one but they seem to be one notch up from the pathfinders, prados, jackaroos, etc.

id like to turbo and fit it out a bit more but would prefer a more comfortble truck. i could snatch a gu petrol with dual fuel but thats going against everything i have known to love form drivig diesels all my life. id loe clean slate to work with too and the possibility is there to transfer some of the goodies from my curent turck to the new one. ad like a disco II and are good value for money with the TD5,coils,turbo,comfortable,ect but am very wary cus of the stories about electrics and costly repairs.

DAVESGQ wrote:id like to turbo and fit it out a bit more but would prefer a more comfortble truck. i could snatch a gu petrol with dual fuel but thats going against everything i have known to love form drivig diesels all my life. id loe clean slate to work with too and the possibility is there to transfer some of the goodies from my curent turck to the new one. ad like a disco II and are good value for money with the TD5,coils,turbo,comfortable,ect but am very wary cus of the stories about electrics and costly repairs.

Also have a look at what has more used accessories available, that will save you thousands, then the 4.2 maynot be such bad value.

theres a few on patrol forum for low 20ks.

Don't overlok the disco just because of hearsay.

Jump onto Aus Landrovers http://www.aulro.com/afvb/ and ask questions and look through the threads on there.

I'm sure they will be able to answer your questions and there does appear to be a lot information on the site regarding the niggly fixs like the three amigos etc.

Cheers Chris

thanks 4runernomore. i have been on there quite abit asking and chating about what could, wont and will go wrong. how does the lpg compare price and eonomy wise for the 4.5 ltr to the 4.2 diesel. and are the 4.5 ltr's as unbreakable as the 4.2's

DAVESGQ wrote:thanks 4runernomore. i have been on there quite abit asking and chating about what could, wont and will go wrong. how does the lpg compare price and eonomy wise for the 4.5 ltr to the 4.2 diesel. and are the 4.5 ltr's as unbreakable as the 4.2's

I have toured with a dual fuel vehicle and I currently have a different dual fuel vehicle.

And, while I like it for the driving I do, I do not think it is as good as a diesel would be for long range stuff. If you do some touring like say a two-week road trip with a lot of miles in areas where LPG is limited or expensive, you can seriously be down a few grand compared to a diesel. Not to mention it's harder to get as much range between servos.

I think the arithmetic works out better for dual fuel around town and within a few hours of home, but not for real touring. I am not biased against dual fuel, the two cars in the driveway here are both dual fuel. It depends what you mean by "tourer".

I've seen some pretty trick GQ tourers around - why don't you just fine-tune your current bus? Saves the hassle of a new vehicle etc, plus any of the "hardcore" parts you have, you could sell and then use the $$$ to go towards other gear.

coxy321 wrote:I've seen some pretty trick GQ tourers around - why don't you just fine-tune your current bus? Saves the hassle of a new vehicle etc, plus any of the "hardcore" parts you have, you could sell and then use the $$$ to go towards other gear.

+1

Considering a gu is the same underneath, most of the ride comfort difference is down to suspension, although the gu is a little wider inside.
Depends what state your current car is in though and how much you want the clean slate.

True. Even grab a nice clean ti gq patrol or xlt mav and swap your goodies on, then sell the battered and bruised leftovers to someone.

They are fine as a tourer, a few years ago it would have been a no brainer as a GQ would've been your top choice, and a GQ is no less comfortable now.

Have you considered a TD5 Defender. Once chipped and exhaust is better flowing they are better on fuel and make cruisers and patrols look silly with the way they get up and go. Perfect for a touring wagon aswell.

nottie wrote:Have you considered a TD5 Defender. Once chipped and exhaust is better flowing they are better on fuel and make cruisers and patrols look silly with the way they get up and go. Perfect for a touring wagon aswell.

I looked at one, the seats were like the ones in a 1950s tram... vinyl, the bare minimum of foam, regular stops to restart circulation essential. Are they all like that or was I looking at some base spec model?

i would spend the 17k on the gq

defender seats look bad but their bloddy coumpy go for a ride in one aulro can help out their to
i got to drive a chiped disco today and it literly smokes tyres even when you but your foot down at 50kmh

also once you know where to shop parts can be cheaper then the tojo nissan market

Yeh until the electrical problems start not to mention the never ending oil leaks - I have experienced both firsthand, including dealing with the irate customer who owns one.

What's uncomfortable about the GQ? Focus on these areas e.g. new comfortable seats, extra sound deadening, regas the a/c, more power etc and you should have a good tourer.

money_killer wrote:i would spend the 17k on the gq

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well i dont have 17G to spend on the current truck but with the funds from selling it i will have. i think a Fender/Disco is out of it but by touring im not meaning around australia simply just more of a tourning type vehicle(2-3inch lift,AT's,racks,etc) so im not gunna be doing massive miles in it running petrol. i have mate who has a v8 sahara on gas and we worked it out that with the cheap price of LPG but the fewer kays you get out of it it nearly comes out equal with diesel/kays.

DAVESGQ wrote:well i dont have 17G to spend on the current truck but with the funds from selling it i will have. i think a Fender/Disco is out of it but by touring im not meaning around australia simply just more of a tourning type vehicle(2-3inch lift,AT's,racks,etc) so im not gunna be doing massive miles in it running petrol. i have mate who has a v8 sahara on gas and we worked it out that with the cheap price of LPG but the fewer kays you get out of it it nearly comes out equal with diesel/kays.

If you aren't going to areas where LPG starts to shoot up in price (it costs virtually the same as ULP, and both cost way more than in a capital city, in some areas), then it is cheaper to run a dual fuel than a diesel.

Don't get sucked in by the bs about electrical gremlins and repair costs for the landrovers though, it is really not accurate and all that the rumours achieve is to make used landies much cheaper for those who know they are good solid cars.

thanks for the advice chimpboy. well im still unsure whet to get out of a gu and discoII. disco 2 will be much cheaper but (possibly) not as reliable but is still a diesel which i can service and repair easily enough but the gu wil cost more in the short term but is very easily modified and very reliable and bulletproof but will cost more in fuel costs if not a TD. any more advice? also whats the difference between the 300tdi and the TD5??

DAVESGQ wrote:also whats the difference between the 300tdi and the TD5??

The best summary I read was that when you chip a tdi, it has almost as much power as a td5 has without a chip. Chip a td5 and it is way more grunty. So IMHO of the two you definitely want the td5 and it's in your budget.

As said AULRO.com is probably the best source of info, you will read that the biggest electrical issue is what they call "the three amigos" and is fixable. Plus there are some model differences where Landrover couldn't make up their mind about the centre diff lock and you want one you can lock or unlock manually, which narrows the years down a bit.

If it were me I would want the factory seven-seater for the air bag rear suspension, it's self-levelling to suit whatever load you put on the tow bar. But not everyone wants it.

Dunno, after a certain point bigger rubber is easier on the GU. On the other hand the disco will flex better than the GU in stock form.

I just get the feeling that deep down you want a diesel and might regret getting a dual fuel car. What can I say, I love my range rover but I also really miss my maverick!

mate you can read my mind. im keen for a turbo diesel and should stick with that. all disco 2's have coils allround but hey. is the air bag suspenson just like poly air's or a bit more complex and tune-able. can you tell me what years came out with factory CDL.

chimpboy wrote:Don't get sucked in by the bs about electrical gremlins and repair costs for the landrovers though, it is really not accurate and all that the rumours achieve is to make used landies much cheaper for those who know they are good solid cars.

We have a customer with a Discovery that has been back at Landrover close to 10 times in a matter of months with electrical gremlins. They can never find what's wrong with it even with all their diagnostic gear, its had ABS sensors, new hubs, new bearings, wiring blah blah..it just has a mind of its own. If it wasn't for this and their other problems I would consider owning one because I like the look of them and know they are very capable.

So you are saying a car about 10/15 years old shouldnt need maintanence like bearings and such???
They are the same as any other car out there. Gqs blow one head light allmost all the time unless you run a fix wire but thats not an electrical issue???
Come on dont hate em cause there british For comfort power and economy they shit on jap cars hands down.
And really if someone cant get a gasket to do its job then they shouldnt be working on cars then.

They have had no more of there share of problems then a Nissan Or Toyota.

chunks wrote:

chimpboy wrote:Don't get sucked in by the bs about electrical gremlins and repair costs for the landrovers though, it is really not accurate and all that the rumours achieve is to make used landies much cheaper for those who know they are good solid cars.

We have a customer with a Discovery that has been back at Landrover close to 10 times in a matter of months with electrical gremlins. They can never find what's wrong with it even with all their diagnostic gear, its had ABS sensors, new hubs, new bearings, wiring blah blah..it just has a mind of its own. If it wasn't for this and their other problems I would consider owning one because I like the look of them and know they are very capable.

So you base your entire opinion on ONE car? I've had (still own 2) Discoveries, and no problems that couldn't be fixed - nothing expensive either. I am currently shopping for number 5

i agree the disco is better for comfort,power(chipped) and economy but not relabilty wise with driveline,g box etc

lucy wrote:

chunks wrote:

chimpboy wrote:Don't get sucked in by the bs about electrical gremlins and repair costs for the landrovers though, it is really not accurate and all that the rumours achieve is to make used landies much cheaper for those who know they are good solid cars.

We have a customer with a Discovery that has been back at Landrover close to 10 times in a matter of months with electrical gremlins. They can never find what's wrong with it even with all their diagnostic gear, its had ABS sensors, new hubs, new bearings, wiring blah blah..it just has a mind of its own. If it wasn't for this and their other problems I would consider owning one because I like the look of them and know they are very capable.

So you base your entire opinion on ONE car? I've had (still own 2) Discoveries, and no problems that couldn't be fixed - nothing expensive either. I am currently shopping for number 5

so if you'd owned a grenade patrol, it cost you $15000 to fix a known issue that they refuse to admit ever has happened, you'd run out tomorrow and buy another?

haha. well i think i have convinced myself to stick with the GQ and have started to price turbo setups. im not real keen in a bits and pieces setup.more of a basic Denco or DTX system. so now i need advice on where to go and how much its gunna cost me. im living up near Bowen so townville or mackay is the way to go i think.

chimpboy wrote:

DAVESGQ wrote:also whats the difference between the 300tdi and the TD5??

The best summary I read was that when you chip a tdi, it has almost as much power as a td5 has without a chip. Chip a td5 and it is way more grunty. So IMHO of the two you definitely want the td5 and it's in your budget.

As said AULRO.com is probably the best source of info, you will read that the biggest electrical issue is what they call "the three amigos" and is fixable. Plus there are some model differences where Landrover couldn't make up their mind about the centre diff lock and you want one you can lock or unlock manually, which narrows the years down a bit.

If it were me I would want the factory seven-seater for the air bag rear suspension, it's self-levelling to suit whatever load you put on the tow bar. But not everyone wants it.

Dunno, after a certain point bigger rubber is easier on the GU. On the other hand the disco will flex better than the GU in stock form.

I just get the feeling that deep down you want a diesel and might regret getting a dual fuel car. What can I say, I love my range rover but I also really miss my maverick!

we didn't get the computorised 300tdi hear in aus