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Post by **rocknferoza** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:42 pm

LSD

Will know in a few days

Post by ***BESTY*** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:05 pm

So the bloke that you bought the 3-link from still has his sitting around in his shed ??

Post by **rocknferoza** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 4:21 pm

Ferozius wrote:So the bloke that you bought the 3-link from still has his sitting around in his shed ??

Hes got bits and pieces lying around at the ultimute workshop :lol:

Hes going 2 have a look and see what he can find for me

BTW he is now selling the SR20 powered feroza.
If anyone is interested in buying it let me know.

It is no longer a 4WD :twisted:

Website · Post by **murcod** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:56 pm

Good luck- I found two (that never materialised!) :roll:

Post by **crowey** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:32 pm

How much is he asking for the feroza with the SR20?? and is it fully road registered with compliance papers??

Website · Post by **murcod** » Tue Jun 01, 2004 7:49 pm

I take it this is the one James?

http://www.4wdworld.com.au/customcorner/ben_barlow.htm
http://www.fastfoursvip.com/articles_ar ... px?view=43

Post by **HeathGQ** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:21 am

he wants $20,000. Yeah its fully plated and regoed.

Website · Post by **murcod** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:08 am

HeathGQ wrote:he wants $20,000. Yeah its fully plated and regoed.

Hmmmmm.... It's no longer any good as a 4WD and nobody interested in a fast "sports" car would even look at it.

Post by **Kell** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 9:54 am

If only my feroza went that fast :cry:

Website · Post by **murcod** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:13 am

Kell wrote:If only my feroza went that fast

I'm glad mine doesn't!

You could get yourself into some serious trouble with that sort of power. Even being lowered and with the brakes improved I think it would be a dangerous vehicle; there's only so much you can do to improve the braking / handling on a SWB 4WD. If it does 13.08 second quarter miles (like I read somewhere) we're talking about a Feroza that will drag off all the latest HSV V8s, a lot of Porsches and Ferraris..... :shock:

I did see a video of it in a "drift" competition a while back. :rofl:

Post by **crowey** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 11:17 am

I would be vey keen to get a copy of the video of a feroza drifting... i saw a few pics of it, but the movie would be better.

Website · Post by **murcod** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:33 pm

It was on some Fast Fours & Rotaries DVD from memory- I don't have it though.

Post by **rocknferoza** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:36 pm

murcod wrote:Good luck- I found two (that never materialised!)

Thanx Dave

I'll ring him friday and see what hes found

Post by **rocknferoza** » Wed Jun 02, 2004 12:39 pm

I saw it in 2 mags a few months back and at that stage it was puting out 260Kw@the wheels and in the 12 second bracket :shock:

Post by **rocknferoza** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:24 am

When I get home from town I'll ring ben up and see what the verdict is.

BTW how much would you guys pay for an LSD :?:

Website · Post by **murcod** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:27 am

Most wreckers wanted around $650 when I was looking. I'd say $500 private unless it's been rebuilt.

Post by **rocknferoza** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:38 pm

Well I rang up but he was on holidays :bad-words:

He'll be back on monday so I should know by then :twisted:

Post by **ferog** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:14 pm

Does any one on the site have an LSD? MikeH had one thats all that I know of. I wonder if the people who do have them even realise it..

Post by **Gregorb** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:56 pm

I have 2 90 model US Rocky's, one has a LSD and the other doesn't. The one that does, has 4x4 on the side of the body.

Post by **haasa** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:57 pm

ferog wrote:Does any one on the site have an LSD? MikeH had one thats all that I know of. I wonder if the people who do have them even realise it..

Good question! Thats the point.
I don't know if i have a LSD! My wheels are spinning like a open diff, but i heard that most of the Ferozas in Europe where shipped with an LSD. So weather I have no LSD or its broken and needs to be serviced.
Does anybody know how to find it out (without taking the whole axle/diff apart)?

Best,
Haasa

Website · Post by **murcod** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:01 pm

Usually LSDs have some sort of tag on them to identify them. That's because they need different oil.

Post by **Gregorb** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 6:56 pm

My LSD has a sticker by the filler plug, but haven't cleaned it off to see what is says.

Post by **rocknferoza** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:13 pm

Best way 2 find out if u have an LSD is lift the rear wheels off the ground. Then turn one of the wheels and if the other wheel turns in the same direction then u have an LSD. If they turn in the opposite direction then it's an open diff.

Post by **ferog** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:19 pm

Ive do it every time i jack it up, just in case i missed it the last time :roll:

you never know.

Post by **haasa** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:32 pm

rocknferoza wrote:Best way 2 find out if u have an LSD is lift the rear wheels off the ground. Then turn one of the wheels and if the other wheel turns in the same direction then u have an LSD. If they turn in the opposite direction then it's an open diff.

...and if the other side is not turning it will be a broken Diff :lol:

just kidding.....

but the idea is good :armsup:

I just lifted one side and checked if there is a resistance when turning the lifted wheel (neutral gear). There was no resistance. So I assumed it's an standard open diff. But you are right. When I'm going to lift both sides up and the other side will turn the same direction or will not turn (with gear insert) I will have a LSD which has to be repaired... Correct?

Thanks,
Haasa

Post by **haasa** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:48 pm

hm.. I'm confused now.

cause I was looking into the service manual pdf's and found pictures of the LSD. Question: Why should the wheels rotate the same direction? There are also 4 pinion gears in the LSD-diff.... so the LSD-diff must act the same way a open diff does. It's the same...exept the connection the the axle is different (using this clutch plates instead of a coupler)

...Or I'm stupid...

Post by **-Scott-** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:57 pm

It's OK haasa, I don't think you're stupid.

If the tail shaft is locked (for what ever reason) and you turn one rear wheel the other wheel will turn the opposite direction, whether you have a standard diff or LSD.

Why? I'm glad you asked! (Anybody from SA and my age?)

The differential action mandates that the turning rate of both axles together averages the turning rate of the tail shaft divided by the diff ratio, and the tail shaft is stationary. If the tail shaft speed is zero, the average of the speeds of the two axle shafts must also be zero, so the other wheel turns in the opposite direction to the wheel you are turning - clutch type LSD or not.

If the tail shaft is free a standard diff will behave the same way because it's (theoretically) easier to rotate the opposite axle than rotating the pinion and tailshaft (because of higher intertia.) The driven axle transmits drive to the side gears in the carrier, which tries to turn the carrier, which is trying to turn the tail shaft (stepped down by the diff ratio.) Because of the step-down ratio of the ring and pinion gearing the tailshaft is normally harder to turn than the axle of the opposite wheel (if both wheels are off the ground :roll:

) so the opposite axle take the drive, but spins in the opposite direction - because the average of the axle speeds must equal the tailshaft speed/diff ratio = zero/diff ratio = zero.

If the diff is a clutch type LSD there are friction plates connecting the gears on the axle shafts to the diff carrier. The clutch plates on the driven axle (the one you are turning) will turn the diff carrier (and the pinion gear) which will drive the clutch plates on the opposite axle and cause that wheel to rotate in the same direction as the driven wheel. Because the average speed of the two axles is not zero the tail shaft must turn too.

If you are confused by any of the above I appreciate that you actually tried to follow my waffle, and will be pleased to review my post when I'm sober.

Cheers,

Scott

Post by **SimplyPV** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:52 am

ok let me get this straight, if i jack up the rear end and turn a tire and if the other one turns in the same direction with the tranny in netutral, that means i have lsd? hmm i gotta go take a look again... :lol:

i keep praying that i DO have lsd.. but i highly doubt it.... :cry:

Post by **haasa** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:22 am

If the diff is a clutch type LSD there are friction plates connecting the gears on the axle shafts to the diff carrier. The clutch plates on the driven axle (the one you are turning) will turn the diff carrier (and the pinion gear) which will drive the clutch plates on the opposite axle and cause that wheel to rotate in the same direction as the driven wheel. Because the average speed of the two axles is not zero the tail shaft must turn too.

hm.... thinking... the quoted part is not clear for me...
Because there are pinnion gears in a LSD-diff, the wheels will NOT rotate the same direction.... (my basic understandig)

I have to look for german manuals for better understanding this tech.

Thanks!

I remember my rear Pajero diff: When gear was in neutral and one wheel was lifted up, I was not able (or it was very very strong) to rotate the lifted wheel.... my Pajero-diff was working very very well. So I should have made this test on my Pajero - but I didn't...

Now I have a open diff or a broken LSD...

Website · Post by **murcod** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:15 am

I know I haven't got an LSD from going off road in 2WD and getting stuck with one rear wheel in the air spinning uselessly. Anyone who's gone off road a bit should know from the amount of wheel spin they get from the rear (either you've got an open diff or your LSD is shagged if one rear wheel spins when lifted.)

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