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Thinking of buying some New TSL swampers for my patrol 36 x12.5 x15
currently run 35 Creepy's . I do mainly offroad , rock and hard off road use , but do road rap them on occasion on the highway to get to places .
Just after others thoughts mainly if you have actually owned a set . I don't trust what your brothers , girlfriend's , sister's , mum has to say about them .

The search engine has quite a few sets

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/ftopic169788.php


Layto....

Thanks my search engine broke down again waiting for th RACQ now hopefully not to bad ! Been blowing smoke for a while though .

I couldn't find anything where they had been used on the road and was wondering how they like speed and wear .

I put 35000km on a set of Q78's on my Gwagen. (2500kg)

They still have plenty of tread, and I now run them on my suzuki.

They're never going to last 100,000km, but I think that considering the offroad performance, they are perfectly acceptable on the road.

They aren't speed rated under ADR rules, so they aren't legal on any car manufactured after 1973. They are DOT approved for road use in the US, and are speed rated under their system. They are fine at speed, although they are happier at a smidge under 100km/h than a smidge over.

Steve.

where to get them from do the q78s come in a 38?

try opw

Craker-s wrote:where to get them from do the q78s come in a 38?

Q78 is a size- It's 35.5X10"

There's lots of options at 38" though.

Steve.

always thoujht the 13/38 x 16 was the next size up from Q78

got them for weekend tires on the GU. they get the wobble at about 70k but at highway speed they are fine and actually seem to get better the faster i go ( up to 170 or so )

not balanced and on standard rims/no beadlocks

hiy6o wrote:Thanks my search engine broke down again waiting for th RACQ now hopefully not to bad ! Been blowing smoke for a while though .

You don't need a search engine.

Have a look in __ * THE BIBLE * __

There's a post titled Tyre Topics.

In that post, is:

An index of Tyre Topics can be found in the Tyre Topic Index.

Some members put in a lot of time & effort to help make the information on this site easier to access.

Don't roll your eyes because you're too lazy to look for it.

hiy6o wrote:Thanks my search engine broke down again waiting for th RACQ now hopefully not to bad ! Been blowing smoke for a while though .

I couldn't find anything where they had been used on the road and was wondering how they like speed and wear .

They are not a tyre you would run on the road except to get to tracks and back home if you had to.

i ran 38" x 12.5" x 15"s tsl's on my hilux for a few years(sold the car now) and apart from being a bit noisy and a bit hairy on wet bitumen,they wasnt a bad tyre!

bogged wrote:They are not a tyre you would run on the road except to get to tracks and back home if you had to.

I (kinda) disagree. At the right pressure, on the right size rim, and with the car properly setup ( enough caster, no inherently nasty handling traits) I really don't think they are that bad.

My 78's, 26 12.5 SX's and 34's aren't noisy or handle badly in my opinion.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:

bogged wrote:They are not a tyre you would run on the road except to get to tracks and back home if you had to.

I (kinda) disagree. At the right pressure, on the right size rim, and with the car properly setup ( enough caster, no inherently nasty handling traits) I really don't think they are that bad.

My 78's, 26 12.5 SX's and 34's aren't noisy or handle badly in my opinion.

Steve.

what about wear? mine wear HEAPS when i leave them on after a weekends wheeling..
i do run 38PSI so thats probably a bit much, so next time il try 32 or something

j-top paj wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:

bogged wrote:They are not a tyre you would run on the road except to get to tracks and back home if you had to.

I (kinda) disagree. At the right pressure, on the right size rim, and with the car properly setup ( enough caster, no inherently nasty handling traits) I really don't think they are that bad.

My 78's, 26 12.5 SX's and 34's aren't noisy or handle badly in my opinion.

Steve.

what about wear? mine wear HEAPS when i leave them on after a weekends wheeling..

That was part of what I was gettin at... the first 20% of a tyres life (square edge) is the best part of its life, thus why so many are forsale with 80% or better.
The other part i meant was there are better options for tyres

bogged wrote:That was part of what I was gettin at... the first 20% of a tyres life (square edge) is the best part of its life, thus why so many are forsale with 80% or better.
The other part i meant was there are better options for tyres

For best performance offroad you want to get rid of that square edge as soon as possible Prob makes no difference in mud or dirt but on rock that square edge gives less traction.

Square edges are where it's at on surfaces with yield.

who is the best to see in syd to get tyres 38 tsls if the q 78 dont come biger

Craker-s wrote:who is the best to see in syd to get tyres 38 tsls if the q 78 dont come biger

Pete at OPW

Craker-s wrote:who is the best to see in syd to get tyres 38 tsls if the q 78 dont come biger

Q78 is a size not model. You're saying:

who is the best to see in syd to get tyres 38 tsls if the 35.5's dont come biger

There's masses of sizes available in swampers.

I'm only reiterating this because Q78's are a VERY good size, but the archaic sizing method using a letter for width and a number for sidewall ratio confuses lots of people.

Suzuki sierras used to have H78 tyres on them standard in the 1980's

Gwagensteve wrote:Square edges are where it's at on surfaces with yield.

I really think it makes very little difference. So little you would never notice.

I would rather have a fresh square edge in the sloppy stuff, especially if you had to climb out of the crap, blasting through a bog hole would make little difference but the climb out at the end would be different, it is very hard to make direct comparisons between tyres and vehicles as there are so many variables, it is more a "seat of the pants"/personal experience thing, maybe its just a Victorian thing.
Give me a square edge any day.
Peter.

RUFF wrote: I really think it makes very little difference. So little you would never notice.

I notice. Direct, side by side comparisons with the same size tyres, one set sharp, one set rounded, on the same day on the same track on the same type of car makes the difference very clear. Sharp edges bite harder on surfaces with yield.

It must be a victorian thing though. Once the sharp edges are gone they suck for 6 months of the year.

In the dry or on rock I agree there's nothing in it.

Steve.

hiy6o wrote:Thinking of buying some New TSL swampers for my patrol 36 x12.5 x15
currently run 35 Creepy's . I do mainly offroad , rock and hard off road use , but do road rap them on occasion on the highway to get to places .
Just after others thoughts mainly if you have actually owned a set . I don't trust what your brothers , girlfriend's , sister's , mum has to say about them .

G'day mate I actually own a set of 36x12.5x15s and love em ( owned before: 2x 33x12.5 tsls, 34 jt2s, 33 mtrs 33 mongrels, 33 bfgs) I have found them to work extremely well compared to the creepies and others of their calibre. On road, well apart from initial flat spot typical of bias tyres they run quite well. Except needing nearly 1/2 kilo of wieght for balancing, but even after loosing some wieghts they still handle surprisingly well
I love rock and hate mud so they suit me well and work great on a 15x8 rim at around 12-15psi without beadlocks. you will find they arent as strong in the sidewalls as creepies but thats more a wear in thing. If i was able to buy again i'd possible go 37 sticky treps or creepies but haven't had any complaints with any of my swampers so far!

heres a good tyres site i use not to buy just to work out what to buy but some good info for you and all the sizes avalible. http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Ti ... TSL_SX.htm