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hey guys just chasing feedback on TSL super swampers. What are they like? Did you like the tyre? Looking at a set of 36/11.5/16 any feedbak would be greatly appeticted. Thanks

I voted yes, like em, I like em alot.
I only used them for 1 weekend but they worked great, the size is 33x12.5x15, and the tyres arent new, but about 80%.
I borrowed them off an extrememly nice person and Im supposed to give them back next week.
They worked great in mud, rocky climbs, loose rocks, dusty tracks, water crossings, and even in sand they were great.
I ran them at 16psi and they felt great everywhere, I want to keep them now.
Shit yeah, Id buy them.

i had a few sets, and i now hate them with a passion. i value my life way too much to ever use them again. there are much better tyres on the market now than back when swampers were popular.

I have heard other people speak poorly of the swamper.

if i was in the market for a set id be looking sraight to a set of Trep's or Boggers

I voted like. Because i like the pattern.







Isnt there a tyre topic for these threads? Have you searched for it?

on what 4b?
beadlocks or not?
What width rim?
for what terrain?
competitions?
occasional use?

joeblow wrote:i had a few sets, and i now hate them with a passion. i value my life way too much to ever use them again. there are much better tyres on the market now than back when swampers were popular.

Can you qualify this Joe? Obviously a dangerous experience but what exactly happened?


Reason I ask is I'm going to be running these on my daily driver and am curious about your issues with them.

I've run swampers since the early 90's and I still haven't seen a tyre work as well in as many conditions as a swamper.

Swampers themselves don't handle badly at all. They are a crossply tyre, so they wander on road - they're more sensitive to camber and braking force than a radial tyre. Obviously, they have a very high void ratio for a road tyre too, so that has an effect on their road performance. These things will amplify any poor handling traits of your vehicle.

I've run Q78's and 36" SX's on my Gwagen, 32X9's on my hilux and 34X9's and Q78's on my sierra.

My Dad used to run 34X9's on his 80 series and they were fine on road. Cornering speeds were lower than with more road oriented tyres, but so what? It's a 4WD.

Steve.

went out in the otways 2 weeks ago swampers were useless on hard wet clay 4 cars, 1 with 32'' simexs did the best, mongels were next with50% tread even went better than swampers . cheers ron

I heard about your dramas ronoor.

A) Get all the air out of them. Fresh LTB's seem to want to be at 5psi or even less to work properly. Once they are well broken in they might run with more pressure.

My Q78's lived on a heavy car so now I have them on my sierra they bag well at 5-6 psi and it might take 1/2 that pressure to bag a fresh set the same amount.

B) 34 10,5 LTB's don't have the ideal footprint shape for slick surfaces. They're too wide. I have no trouble outperforming fresh 34 10.5's on slick surfaces with my totally flogged 9 34's because I put down more ground pressure and have a narrower footprint. In deeper mud or dryer conditions I get owned by LTB's.

Simex's/mongrels own slick surfaces, especially in small sizes on light cars where they put down high ground pressure. I've never seen a sierra hook up as well on slick clay than a car on 31" 'pedes, but there's no way you can maintain thet ground pressure in a taller tyre - the void ratio would drop too far and the tyres would be too unstable.

Maybe you need 35 10.5 Boggers?

Steve.

was,nt me on the swampers some one,s feeding u the wrong info i love my shagged mogrels. cheers ron

they'll be on an 80 series. 5inch efs, locked both ends.
there on 8inch rim, there flipped rim but i don't think it changes much.
bit of a play tyre mud which i beleive they'll be good. but also as a rock crawl hill. which whats scares me. i've been told because there stright lugs that they tend to slide sideways very easily.

which i thick somebody all ready mention.

and no beed locks which i know is a down side.

i've run

creepys
simex
boggers
and swampers

and swampers are the best

Triple B wrote:i've been told because there stright lugs that they tend to slide sideways very easily..

that would be the bogger not the tsl etc.

boggers looks a bit better then the tsl.

these are the swamper aren't they?




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Fixed your pic (Layto....)

Triple B wrote:these are the swamper aren't they?


http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx50 ... ampers.jpg

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Few different types of TSL. Read this: http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/ftopic169788.php

anyone interested in a set - I'm selling on ebay at the moment.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... :MESELX:IT

Disco1Modified wrote:anyone interested in a set - I'm selling on ebay at the moment.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... :MESELX:IT

they must be a great tyre if you have 3 sets and are selling the swampers

Crap in my opinion and i stick to it.

purchase some trepadores their is no comparison.

TSL's are old technology

SuperiorEngineering wrote:TSL's are old technology

and old school price!!!!!

http://www.offroaders.com/tech/AT-MT-Ti ... TSL_SX.htm

I was looking at these for a while but guna go treps instead no mud up here for 9 mnths of the year.

SuperiorEngineering wrote:
TSL's are old technology

so are live axles, but do we argue that they don't work offroad because of it?

bad_religion_au wrote:

SuperiorEngineering wrote:
TSL's are old technology

so are live axles, but do we argue that they don't work offroad because of it?

Yes i knew their would be a reply to "old technology" but we are talking about TSL's not suspension.

Not a fan, a mate had a set on his GQ and my pedes used to walk where his swampers struggled....

not much a fan of a mate said this or a mate had that,

ive' had bot peds and swampers and swampers are much better in all terrain

YankeeDave wrote:not much a fan of a mate said this or a mate had that,

ive' had bot peds and swampers and swampers are much better in all terrain

ahh so it must of just been the fact that mine was a cruiser, that it went further than his gq.. nothing to do with the tyres at all..

SuperiorEngineering wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:

SuperiorEngineering wrote:
TSL's are old technology

so are live axles, but do we argue that they don't work offroad because of it?

Yes i knew their would be a reply to "old technology" but we are talking about TSL's not suspension.

this isn't a smart arse comment, but what new/exciting tech is in the treps that aren't in the swampers?

radials are newer tech than bias ply, but most hardcore tires are bias, not radial...