Outer Limits 4x4 Board

hi..as above..fitted toyota 1uz-fe in my 1972 rangie, about to supercharge it...(manifold now made... )

but...i have a traction problem, (i need to keep the lt95 as anything else will tear itself to bits, and i have a few, including a real late excellent one..)the front wheels just spin up so easily and i need to get more power to the rears...i have a real early lt95 lsd unit (and acess to another) and am wondering about fitting it when i replace the lt95 fitted with the real good one...

are they any good..cant find any proper info,except that it is a sailsbury type and hense should be strong, maybe even sharing components with the jag lsd rear diff??

am sure have read someone on here using this lsd in their lt95 4 speed box??

can you help?any good?

Ive never seen or heard of a LSD for the LT95 and i've played with a few .
Best option would be to weld up the center diff and have it as rear wheel drive and having the CDL lock in the drive to the front wheels when needed .

Very early LT95's had a limited slip centre diff that used clutch plates.

I haven't had experience with them and assume the LSD was not used in later centre diffs for reliability reasons.

I have a dull recollection of an after market torsen type centre diff being available at one time.

Try Milner Off Road Racing in UK they should be able to sort your problem.

AFAIR the LSD did not have the facility to be locked.

I do not understand what you mean by spinning up the front wheels. I presume you mean on a hard surface that one wheel spins under power when the centre diff is unlocked.

When you LOCK the centre diff of course the front axle will always travel at the same speed as the rear.

If one front wheel is spinning then you need a cross axle locker to help, but with the centre diff locked the front propshaft will travel at the same speed as the rear propshaft.

Regards Philip A.

see..no one knows!!


first i dont wish to lock up the center box completly..thats why am after info/experience on the lsd..am aware what happens if i do lock it up on the road..bad..

a front diff lsd would help..yes i would and maybe will come, but am after info on center lsd diff as i have one...guess the only way is to suck it and see!?

center lsd was dropped cos us pommies didnt like the handling characteristics.(guess it made it more fun!proberly not very smooth in operation).and cos being land rover they were expensive and therefore bad...reliability was apparently not a problem..

weld up center diff!!!on the road? are you mad..free wheeling front hubs!!a want a 4x4...so no go there...(you ever driven a 2wd rangie?yuck)

and yes the lsd's DO have a lockable function..i am looking at one..i have it in my hands..(and can get another or 2)

oh quaiffe make one for the lt230..but at £1500!!!and i need to keep the lt95..

heres a pic of one for your info..

why do you need to keap the lt95 if its only the transfer that's the issue
is sounds to me your haveing a weight transfer isuse unloading the from wheels
have you thought about a true track in the front diff
if not the quaffle is the end all and be all of lsd's well it is in the fwd market

i have to keep the lt95 cos its the only manual box that will handle the power and torque..

you may be right about the neeed for front lsd..still wish to try out ceter lsd though..(cheaper option as i have one..(though no spec on it)

theirs others like a patrol box or a supra box both of which i've seen mated to the lt230 transfer
the other option is some harder rear (slightly higher to) springs and 90/10 shocks up front to hold the waight on them

prehaps some air lifter type air springs installed in the rear springs?

they are pretty hard already though..

could work another option dont sure how viable it would be is the traction control of the later discos and rangies

now thats getting silly....1972 2 door rangie..

zen wrote:see..no one knows!!

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Get off your high horse fella!

Did you come here for help - smells to me like you just wanted to spruke about your junk!

People here don't play with LSD for LT95 for simple and obvious reasons.

Mine always lifted the inside front wheel in corners and spun it causing the vehicle to take huge leaps down the road.

I solved it two ways.

1. I backed off a little in the corners and kept all four feet ont he ground. A bit boring!

2. With my new engine I switched to a Patrol 5 speed and transfer which dropped constant 4 wheel drive.

Vehicle actually handles very well without the FWD and I don't think it handles any worse than original.

From what I know of the LSD for the LT95 the plates won't like the UZ's torque and you'll be forever re-building it.

Bush65 wrote:

zen wrote:see..no one knows!!

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Get off your high horse fella!

Did you come here for help - smells to me like you just wanted to spruke about your junk!

People here don't play with LSD for LT95 for simple and obvious reasons.

no..just fustrated at finding no info..atleast proper hands on info..searched all the uk sites and google for ages..nought found..

loads of incorrect second hand info based on hear say though...

came to here cos am afraid like most things the ex colonies do what we brits do only better.(cricket,football,enjoying life)..and am sure someone on here uses one..somewhere..

sorry if i offended you...

people here also dont play with the lsd for the lt95, cos there were only a handfull made and no one even seems aware there was one...hense no bloody info..

what am after is proper info on it..ie yes mate,had one in my 2 door, blew the f*** out of it..or yes mines still going strong...

so..have you some useful info rather than jumping down my throat?and stating what i have heard before but with no back up..maybe you have seen/had a few..please please if so tell me..dont need to waste anymore time on fitting /stripping it out if you killed them all..regards..


quote/Mine always lifted the inside front wheel in corners and spun it causing the vehicle to take huge leaps down the road.

I solved it two ways.

1. I backed off a little in the corners and kept all four feet ont he ground. A bit boring!

2. With my new engine I switched to a Patrol 5 speed and transfer which dropped constant 4 wheel drive.

Vehicle actually handles very well without the FWD and I don't think it handles any worse than original.

From what I know of the LSD for the LT95 the plates won't like the UZ's torque and you'll be forever re-building/quote

hi rod!!

re 1 yes what i am doing...pooh..

2. ah god even more work..does it ever end...i have both but from an sd33 powered patrol...rather keep with lt95 due to legal keep it original (whats left that is) so as to keep historic vehicle status and hense free tax,zero emmisions test, silly cheap insurance.etc..if i lose the box then i get near the cutoff area to becoming a special..and hense f*** ing expensive tax etc..though proberly no one will ever check..

3..mine didn't..when hurt the front diff run on just rear.terrible..but then again every rangie i have had has handled differently, even the same year and spec ones...

4..you may be right..still can get hold of 3..might give it ago..

http://www.aulro.com
try hear

hillbilliywheelchair wrote:http://www.aulro.com
try hear

They are as rare as rocking horse poo since we only just starting to get rangies about the time the lt95 lsd was dropped so thats why no one here knows about them- AULRO even though an excellent source of technical info, i doubt anyone there will know either.

ok..thanks for all your replys..much appreciated..all of you..

well found one of their weeknesses..the clutch carrier that also holds the inner gears wears where it holds the gears..the tourqe (i cant remember how to spell touque..bugger getting old!) from the drive gear forces the inner gears against the clutch carrier forcing the plates together and forcing the non spinning drive side to rotate..no springs atall..its worn where the gears force the carrier out..still will see what the other two are like..


i will post some pics showing it tomorrow.(for your interest)

Why are you asking on an Australian forum??? Maybe try a pommy forum.

why?

thought i said..tried the pommie ones...no luck..besides i already stated the aussie landy sites are usually better..certainly your vehicles are..

and.. i know someone on here runs one..just cant remember who..

besides a you can talk!!just seen you in canada!

while there probably is some driveline problems......lt95 wasnt originaly designed for that...... Suspensions primary goal is to transmit engine power to the ground, smoothly and safetly, including braking....articulation and ride are bi-products.

tell us about your set up, tyres, suspension, lift weight etc etc

Serg

zen wrote:besides a you can talk!!just seen you in canada!

Hehe...but I'm not asking questions not related to Australia.

I lived in Australia for 5 years, so have ties to this forum.

re suspension..

31 10.5 15's

+2 inch

stiff stiff springs..not sure on weight of them..

gas shockers..

corrected front and rear arms..


i am thginking i need better shockers..2 way ones to help the front from not lifting so quick on power.and..stiffer rears (maybe by using air lifter helper springs as they are adjustable)

what you recon?

red90 wrote:

zen wrote:besides a you can talk!!just seen you in canada!

Hehe...but I'm not asking questions not related to Australia.

I lived in Australia for 5 years, so have ties to this forum.

oh forgot sorry...my ties to this forum like yours are that the internet is global..at the end of the day we are all the same, like you i expect i just want some spending cash in my pocket (bills paid etc) my family to live long and be healthy, be left alone .not be robbed or mugged etc and my daughter to be very happy in whatever she decides to do..

re this forum...look..the brits generally have no idea on how to moddify a land rover..there are some who would indeed have a heart attack if they saw the early rangies on here! so..in short if you boys dont know then no one else will..as this appears to be the best forum by far..

have you thought about chnaging your diff and gear ratios to change propshaft speed to help negate the torque twist from engine rotation?

what do you mean by "corrected" arms???

do you need 31's?
do you need + 2 inch lift?

are all your suspension bushes in good working order?

correct shocks and springs will definitly help

Put the pics up of the lsd bits Zen , beeen a while since i looked at rover stuff but what spline count are the outputs ?

Bush65 wrote:

zen wrote:see..no one knows!!

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Get off your high horse fella!

Did you come here for help - smells to me like you just wanted to spruke about your junk!

People here don't play with LSD for LT95 for simple and obvious reasons.

Well put John best of luck to him i say .

Cant wait till he tells us all he has blown the rse end out of the center diff or he fits a front LSD and has a tourqe steer moment and ploughs it into another car because it wont steer with the fronts spinning up from all that new found power

uninformed wrote:have you thought about chnaging your diff and gear ratios to change propshaft speed to help negate the torque twist from engine rotation?

I would have thought that this would have pricked someones ears up and started a discussion?

uninformed wrote:

uninformed wrote:have you thought about chnaging your diff and gear ratios to change propshaft speed to help negate the torque twist from engine rotation?

I would have thought that this would have pricked someones ears up and started a discussion?

I nearly did, but doubt the OP would be interested in the only methods that I know of for countering torque reaction and still be useful off road - probably too much work for what he wants to do.

If he was interested he would have done some research after you posted and found out for himself, or asked appropriate questions.

Bush65 wrote:

uninformed wrote:

uninformed wrote:have you thought about chnaging your diff and gear ratios to change propshaft speed to help negate the torque twist from engine rotation?

I would have thought that this would have pricked someones ears up and started a discussion?

I nearly did, but doubt the OP would be interested in the only methods that I know of for countering torque reaction and still be useful off road - probably too much work for what he wants to do.

If he was interested he would have done some research after you posted and found out for himself, or asked appropriate questions.

so im on the right track????

it was a bit of a guess on my half John.....I remember a friend (reliable engineering mind) telling me how noticed the difference when he changed his diffs, and hence ratios from 4.7 to 3.54, transfers where also changed so final ratios would have been similar. i think it got worse when he went to 3.54 as in the front left of the car would lift more at take off and in 2nd when accelerating

if youd like to explain a bit that would be great

cheers,'
Serg

You've only got what, 450 or so Nm of torque. That's hardly earth shattering.

Get the viscous transfer from an 88 onwards rangie and pair it with your gearbox of choice. You're not using a landrover engine so why stick with a landrover gearbox?