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i did the search nothing came up ... so
can some one help me with this ...
main roads pulled me up and told me they have to be 150mm from the out side of the body ...

i need a cut and paste of the section please

Haven't got a sodt copy of the regs but basically they are:

Headlights must be within 300mm of the outside edge of the body.

Front parking/clearance/indicator lights must be within 150mm of the outside edge of the body.

Rear tail/indicators must be within 150mm of the outside edge of the body.

You are also required to have red reflectors on the rear within 150mm of the outside edge of the body.
There are also minimum sizes and any lights fitted must have ADR compliance for that application.

Depending on how 'keen' the inspector wants to get the 'outside edge of the body' could include any additional flares fitted to cover wider tyres. This can be a problem as then all the lights may have to be moved outwards which would be hard when they are fitted into a body cavity.

Assuming it's the same ruling in NSW... What if you are running separate indicator and tail/ brake loghts (lke the round truck ones a few fourbys have). Would it be OK if just the idicator lights were that close to edge?

I am in NSW, Sydney to be exact.
I think that indicators and park/tail/stop lamps have to be within the 150mm. To be exact there is a percentage (25% ?) that has to be within the prescribed distance.
The whole point of the rule is that when you are driving at night other drivers are not seeing a set of lights X distance apart, think it is a Suzuki and are then confronted with a Humvee as would be the case with my headlights.

hey luke i thort you wood have had a chat to the bloke you bought the tray off ...ya know... paul staib? find out how you can get intouch with him and have a chat....he shood be able to point in the right direction....you shooda hit him up @ the last rund ASCC @ black river....hit him up this time

i did ... he never had any trouble with qdot ...


tryin to find out craig bowens number to chase him up .. he knows all about it ...

Terrafirma wrote:i did ... he never had any trouble with qdot ...


tryin to find out craig bowens number to chase him up .. he knows all about it ...

give glen or even festa a call.... if ya wanna laugh call festa ill pm ya glens number and festas

Terrafirma wrote:i did the search nothing came up ... so
can some one help me with this ...
main roads pulled me up and told me they have to be 150mm from the out side of the body ...

i need a cut and paste of the section please

What year model is the car? ADR's are what determins the location of the lights so where you live isn't an issue. If you gave a pre ADR vehicle then there are a different set of rules all together. Let me know make, model, year and i will find out exactly for you.

mkpatrol wrote:

Terrafirma wrote:i did the search nothing came up ... so
can some one help me with this ...
main roads pulled me up and told me they have to be 150mm from the out side of the body ...

i need a cut and paste of the section please

What year model is the car? ADR's are what determins the location of the lights so where you live isn't an issue. If you gave a pre ADR vehicle then there are a different set of rules all together. Let me know make, model, year and i will find out exactly for you.

95 GQ(Y60) patrol ute cab chassis

can u also find out what requirements are for a rear bumper on a ute ..
they want me to put a bumper on the ute too

Luke I willdrop a copy of the ADR's around to you this week some time so that you can have a look. I have just moved house so it might take me a couple of days to find it.

Cheers
Paul

Ok here we go. The ADR's are a bit hard to read if you are not an automotive engineer. Try to get a copy of Vehicle Standards Bulletin #9. This will cover the lighting requirements for your vehicle as the last one was published in 1996. If follows the ADR's and puts it into laymans terms for you. I will give you the basics here though.

REAR INDICATORS
HEIGHT- Min 350mm-Max1500MM (may be increased due to vehicle construction EG plant vehicles or cranes).
INSET- 400mm inset from the outermost part of the vehicle body. This includes all guards but not mirrors.
SEPARATION- 600mm
They must also be visible from 45 deg on the inboard side and 80 deg from the outboard side, 15 deg up or down.

TAIL LAMPS
Tail lamps have the same dimensions as indicators except if the vehicle is less than 1300 wide then the lights may be separated down to 400mm.
Visibilty angles are the same as indicators.

REVERSING LAMPS
Must have a minimum of one.
HEIGHT- 250mm min - 1200mm max.
POSITION- Rear of vehicle.
Must only illuminate when vehicle is in reverse.
VISIBILITY- 30-40deg inboard- 80deg outboard 15deg up & 5deg down.
Some publications give no limit to intensity but all the early publications give a max of 700 candelas. Check with your local authority as you may ba able to run a filtered spot lamp on the rear.

STOP LAMPS
Stop lamps have identical dimensions to rear park lamps.

mkpatrol wrote:Ok here we go. The ADR's are a bit hard to read if you are not an automotive engineer. Try to get a copy of Vehicle Standards Bulletin #9. This will cover the lighting requirements for your vehicle as the last one was published in 1996. If follows the ADR's and puts it into laymans terms for you. I will give you the basics here though.

REAR INDICATORS
HEIGHT- Min 350mm-Max1500MM (may be increased due to vehicle construction EG plant vehicles or cranes).
INSET- 400mm inset from the outermost part of the vehicle body. This includes all guards but not mirrors.
SEPARATION- 600mm
They must also be visible from 45 deg on the inboard side and 80 deg from the outboard side, 15 deg up or down.

TAIL LAMPS
Tail lamps have the same dimensions as indicators except if the vehicle is less than 1300 wide then the lights may be separated down to 400mm.
Visibilty angles are the same as indicators.

REVERSING LAMPS
Must have a minimum of one.
HEIGHT- 250mm min - 1200mm max.
POSITION- Rear of vehicle.
Must only illuminate when vehicle is in reverse.
VISIBILITY- 30-40deg inboard- 80deg outboard 15deg up & 5deg down.
Some publications give no limit to intensity but all the early publications give a max of 700 candelas. Check with your local authority as you may ba able to run a filtered spot lamp on the rear.

STOP LAMPS
Stop lamps have identical dimensions to rear park lamps.

SWEET DOOD I KNEW IT WASNT 150mm hahaha qdot can get F$#KED!

hahaha paul lives ... how was the bush paul hahahaha


if ya could drop it round would be great thanks
have a look at the bump steer too

I checked with my engineer and he says it definitely is 150mm.
Changes with vehicle classification too. Qld 'should' be the same as the rest of the country as we are supposedly under national road rules.
Guess it depends on 'local' interpretation.

well its just been copied from the ADR's onto here ... and ur reading it
INSET- 400mm inset from the outermost part of the vehicle body. This includes all guards but not mirrors.
SEPARATION- 600mm

Im building a new tray very soon and I need to know what is the correct measurement 400 in or 150?
The rules would be Aus wide wouldnt they? ie applicable in WA?
Might go talk to someone in the know tomorow during my lunch break.
Paul.

Dood MKPatrol just posted the ADR's on the tail lights


print them and carry them with u ... nothing more they can do

Luke,
I will see how brave I am feeling I may put the plates from the Trition on the Zook and drive it over this weekend so that you can have a look. But yeah I will drop around on Sunday some time. Bush was ok but they moved the bloody ASCC to the same weekend as my brothers wedding so I am out at this stage. I might come out on the sunday for a play.

Anyway dood talk to you later.

ausyota wrote:Im building a new tray very soon and I need to know what is the correct measurement 400 in or 150?
The rules would be Aus wide wouldnt they? ie applicable in WA?
Might go talk to someone in the know tomorow during my lunch break.
Paul.

Do yourself a favour and get in touch with DOTARS. They can send you the ADR's and another publication called the light vehicle code of practice for modifacations. Also get a copy of the inspection manual for your state as local goverments have extra regulations regarding mods. Get in touch with the local transport technical division and keep in touch with the same person during the modification period so there are no surprises for him. This way you will be prepared for anything that comes along.

ozhumvee - your engineer is wrong sorry.

Yes it would seem that 400mm inboard and 600 separation is right.
I spoke to a licencing guy today.
Paul.

Well I was at the RTA today getting a heavy vehicle inspected and asked the RTA inspector.
As a far as I can understand no one is right and no one is wrong depends on how you apply the measurements and how anal the inspectors wish to be.
If you use 150mm in from the side the edge of the light must be at that measurement.
If you use the 400/600 (which changes according to the width of the vehicle the entire light must be within the 400mm.
The light in question must also have ADR compliance for that particular application (can't use clearance for tail etc). To achieve ADR compliance the light must meet brightness standards etc.
So if you fit a non standard light keep the packaging which should have the ADR compliance for that light assembly so you have evidence when a problem arises.
Better still if you have a non standard body/tray with different lights get it engineered then you have paperwork to thrust in constabularies face.

I don't know where they or you get the 150mm because it is not stated in the ADR's or the RTA inspection manual.

I also gave you the widths required, why are you still arguing?

Not arguing, couldn't care less actually, I was just quoting what both an RTA Inspector and a certifying engineer told me.

Personally I would rather have a light as close as possible to the vehicle extremities so as to advise oncoming drivers of the actual width rather than in the middle. Same goes for bigger lights than are necessarily required, makes you much easier to see. If it helps avoid an accident, great!
I find the way that the rules are interpreted to be a big joke actually, varies from state to state, engineer to engineer and inspector to inspector.
Makes a mockery of the whole national standard and the ADR's.
You should try getting compliance for a whole vehicle which has never been sold here, much harder than a one off mod to an existing vehicle.
Peter

The distance is 400 mm from the edge of the vehicle excluding the rear view mirrors (as said above). Go by the ADR's as they are a national standards and often this will overide state legislation.

In QLD the TORUMS act is the other to go by but this is just the same as the ADR. The measurement is to the edge of the lamp that is closest to the outside of the vehicle.

Whe deciding which light to use have a look at the Hella or Narva website and look up the CRN or component reference number and give them to the engineer doing the certification. These number can be used instead of full photometric test as they are linked to test reports performed by a NATA approved photometric laboratory.

If you want to get really fussy you can start looking at 'illuminated sufaces' and 'light emitting surfaces' as these are where measurement can be taken from but if the lamp you are fitting does not have complex curves that could make the measurement subjective I would not bother.

auto_eng - can u tell me what ADR section to look at so i can make a hard copy to keep in my ute ...

and also do i know anything UTES having a rear bumper ...
qdot inspector told me to install one cause he didn't like the rear
of my ute

Email you the ADR.

Is far as I know you don't have to have a rear bumper but it you do the edges should be turned towards the body.

There is a section on one ADR that refers to "dangerous internal or external protrusions" that some people lean on a bit.

my custom tray covers the rear part of the chassis .....

so theres no over hand from under the tray .... nothing different to having a normal tray

um i saw up the top it said some thing about any lights put on the back like new tail lights have to be aprooved not sure what is ment by that

but if i make a new rear bar for my suzuki and use these tail lights i got for $5 is that all legal or do i have to get it inspected