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Blanchard grinding (heaps more tables for sale on grays)
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:14 pm
by bru21
Does anyone in qld offer this service at a reasonable price.
I have a bit of 20mm x 1500x1600 plate I would like to weld to a 100 x 50 frame then get ground.
Seeing as the buggy is on hold till the shed is built.
End up with something like this:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... ght=bender
Or can you buy pre-ground plate?
cheers bru
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:53 pm
by Narrowscopeofreality
The benches in those photos have been machined. I dunno about the rest of QLD, but around brissy there's fark all places that would be able to machine a plate that size. Only 1 that I know of, and we get things machined pretty regularly. Looking at close to a grand, and a couple of weeks wait.
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:55 pm
by AFeral
Don't know of anyone.
I did speak to an engineer about it some time ago aparantly theres a bit more to it than just the surface machining. Theres heat treating involved too. As with out the plate will not stay true.
Guess you would need to talk to an engineering joint with a bloody big milling machine.
Another option would be to find a second hand engineering machine dealer. Or engineering machine salvage yard and just buy the bed off of a machine past its usable life.
I used to use an old milling machine bed for an adjustale jig.
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:56 pm
by me3@neuralfibre.com
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... ght=bender
Yep - that's flat
What do you want to build that needs to be that flat?
Paul
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:09 pm
by bru21
buggy. and other things.
Don't really need it - but I love raising the bar each time I fabricate.
I see this as the next step.
thanks for the replys fellas
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:24 am
by Ice
i know where there is a mill or two big enough to do this.. actually getting a job onto it is probally the issue..
is in newcastle as well... so there should be something closer... look for a big heavy engineering company locally
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:19 pm
by vanbox
You supply the flap wheels, Ill bring the grinder.
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:47 pm
by me3@neuralfibre.com
bru21 wrote:buggy. and other things.
Don't really need it - but I love raising the bar each time I fabricate.
I see this as the next step.
thanks for the replys fellas
Bah, it won't be square after you drop it on it's lid anyway, or after so much effort, will it be road only?
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:07 pm
by 85lux
http://www.bobhaslam.com.au/index.php
i know of it as wash grinding.
i've had jigs flame cut and ground in K1045 (duraflex)
old company, easy to deal with.
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:59 am
by SteelArt
mm there was a place down archerfield way that use to do it, will see if I still have their card. SHort of that give APE a call and ask them as they are in the area and have been around for a long time.
I will let you know if I find it when I get home.
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:29 am
by nastytroll
When I did my time it was called SNOW or PLOW grinding. Its like a verticle borer with a segmented wheel that grinds on the side of the wheel while the table turns. These are not the most accurate of grinders but probably good enough for a fab table.
Some places that do large engine or head reconditioning may be able to help, or posably people that sharpen large blades. Maybe a company that does engine reco work for ships.
I know of some places that could mill it but not grind a peice that big in Brisbane. Also verticle lathes can do it too.
Wash grinding is allowing the wheel to keep traveling over the surface until it stops removing material, "Wash out". This allows for any clearance in bearings when after a surper high tolerence.
APE that was mentioned above is Archerfeild precision engineering. There are a few APE's in the world that offer different services.
Re: Blanchard (Style) grinding in Qld
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:11 pm
by bru21
I drew a dead end on the grinding - in Bris they can only grind small pieces - so 14 would be needed, then they cannot get them to even thickness without 4x$$$ so I would have to shim each one.
Place in Melb can do the full sheet - buy its a several $K exercise - so I put it on the back burner....
When suddenly....
I managed to score a 75mm thick 1500x1200 surface table woot woot.
Pick it up in a few weeks.
Got it for half of what my 20mm 1500x 1600 table cost me.
cheers bru
Re: Blanchard (Style) grinding in Qld
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:08 am
by XJames
Where are you finding these tables? Share your secrets.
Re: Blanchard (Style) grinding in Qld
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:16 am
by bru21
I have a mental list of about 10 major tools I am after and check 3 times a week for the list. I only buy exactly what I want - that way I don't waste $ or tie up money for when something perfect comes up. I look on Grays, ebay, gumtree and google search. You have to look hard though as its not the US, and manufacturing is long dead here. and most of the gear for sale is Asian crap. As for tables - this is the second one I have seen for under 5k, - I paid $600!
Re: Blanchard (Style) grinding in Qld
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:32 am
by Bearded1
Please excuse my ignorance, but what are these tables used for and why do they need to be so accurate?
Re: Blanchard (Style) grinding in Qld
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:20 am
by brooksy
I used to machine & deck large plate surfaces at my old work. We had a very large Vertical borer & I had to deck stuff for Luduwici test bed. The biggest I did was 1.8m x 1.2m
I would use a 320mm 24 tip cutting to bring the material down to within 0.3mm of finish, then fly cut to finish size. Had to be a 1.6 finish. To machine finish cut took nearly 4hrs. But Borer was sold about 6mths ago , new Plasma was moving in when I left.
The finish tolerance had to have less than 0.2mm deflection in face. Usually got 1/2 that. Worst thing was if a tip chipped. You had to start all over again
brooksy
Re: Blanchard (Style) grinding in Qld
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:24 pm
by bru21
Bearded1 wrote:Please excuse my ignorance, but what are these tables used for and why do they need to be so accurate?
It aids in getting a project dead flat.
For example, my tt will be built in 3 layers - each built on the table, then joined vertically later.
So all tubes are placed on the table, clamped down hard then TIG welded.
Here is one in use when my chassis was built:
http://www.polvin.com.au/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=56" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And.. Brooksy was that in QLD? Everywhere I called said a place in Melbourne was the only solution!
Re: Blanchard (Style) grinding in Qld
Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:33 am
by bru21
Bulk surface tables for sale on grays. All smallish - suit home shops!
http://www.graysonline.com/sale/7002836 ... rue&page=2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
enjoy, cheers bru
Re: Blanchard grinding (heaps more tables for sale on grays)
Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:17 am
by brooksy
Yeah it was at my old workshop in Carol Park but they sold the borer to make way for a giant CNC Plasma
brooksy
Re: Blanchard grinding (heaps more tables for sale on grays)
Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 8:22 pm
by bru21
well this has raised its ugly head again!
I want to grind the sheet I have to free up the surface table for component welding.
Quote from Melbourne is $140 to grind my sheet. So cheap!
Problem is that it's bigger than a pallet so even using our rates (move a semi a day) it's a $400 freight exercise.
There has to be a rotary wash grind in qld!
Someone must know of one!
Ideally, I grab another 1600x1200x20 sheet, get both ground and the entire chassis will have a home, so someone local would be awesome.
The guy in Brendale is 900mm max so that's out.
Cheers bru