Outer Limits 4x4 Board

sonny wrote:maybe i shouldnt have bothered.

toughnut wrote:

sonny wrote:maybe i shouldnt have bothered.

Mate we are just after more information. Is this along the same lines as VSI 50 or is it something new altogether? We just want more information before we blindly sign a petition that we know nothing about. Who's to say that this petition won't be used for something else?

sonny wrote:there wasnt much info about the recent time when they tried to stop all 4x4 suspension mods when i came across them either but guess what,all the car communities in australia stood by the 4x4 drivers and signed the petition and had it thrown out.i suppose when the going gets tough you know who your real mates are.

sonny wrote:there wasnt much info about the recent time when they tried to stop all 4x4 suspension mods when i came across them either but guess what,all the car communities in australia stood by the 4x4 drivers and signed the petition and had it thrown out.i suppose when the going gets tough you know who your real mates are.

sonny wrote:there wasnt much info about the recent time when they tried to stop all 4x4 suspension mods when i came across them either but guess what,all the car communities in australia stood by the 4x4 drivers and signed the petition and had it thrown out.i suppose when the going gets tough you know who your real mates are.

This is from the NSW ASRF June 2010 Minutes.

"What was discussed were the changes in NSW to MPV (Modified Production Vehicles) and ICV (Idividually Constructed Vehicles). The RTA are intending that soon all Modified Production Vehicles will have a FINAL inspection by the RTA;the Engineer will have to provide evidence to their approvals and the base for a Street Rod will no longer be apair of chassis rails and one cross member. The RTA believes that we are so close to being able to achieve ICV, with concessions on some of the ADR'S (Australian Desigin Rules) that this is the track we should consider. "

"Tony, as far as I know it is for all modified vehicles full registration. From what I'm hearing, modification could mean paint colour change ,wheel change, ride height ect. I'm chasing for more info.........This will affect any car group or club wanting something other than off the showroom floor. "

The main reason for this petition is that the RTA has had meeting with
Delegates from the Australian Street Rod Federation and have told them (even
showed them a draft copy) of a new system. However they will not release
this information, Hence the need for consultation. I will send out more
information as I get it.

King Nothing wrote:I've received a reply from the petition starter;

The main reason for this petition is that the RTA has had meeting with
Delegates from the Australian Street Rod Federation and have told them (even
showed them a draft copy) of a new system. However they will not release
this information, Hence the need for consultation. I will send out more
information as I get it.

... and had it thrown out.

... If this is a reincarnaiton of a VSI 50 type law then we'll certainly have a bigger fight on our hands. ...

2. Engineers were called in for a meeting with the RTA (don't know why)

Hi Rodders,

I must admit I am not partial to these forums as things can be taken out of context and blown out of proportion.

I would like to clarify that no information has been withheld from the ASRF Committee meetings with the RTA as mentioned in this and other forums.
It has been well documented that the RTA has been working for several years on a revised version of the Modified Production Code of Practice that we register our vehicles to today. The document that the RTA is working with to replace the Code of Practice is called VSB14 (The National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) a subclause of this document is the National Guidelines for Street Rods. This document is a Technical Document that most States with the exception of NSW and QLD have adopted as Policy. The ASRF has been dealing with the RTA to implement a registration system for Street Rods utilising the Technical Guidelines from this document.

On Friday 2nd July 2010 two members of the ASRF Committee (myself and Darren Abela) met with the RTA, in this three hour meeting several issues were discussed, one of which was the RTA proposed that Street Rods should look at adopting the line of an ICV with exemptions, another was discussed regarding a restricted registration based on the above document with restricted days of road use. The RTA asked that we the ASRF Committee submit a revised proposal considering these options. I am at present finalising our revised submission based on an unrestricted registration scheme. The Committee will review this revised proposal before submission to the RTA.

As mentioned above the RTA is working on the replacement Guidelines and in their wisdom are not looking to implement it as a whole document, we were given a portion of the draft document be it half a page defining what they might classify as an ICV. If implemented this portion this would make most heavily modified vehicles ICV’s, but this is draft document only.
I would like to make a point at this time that the RTA a couple of years ago put VSB14 (National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) out for public comment and to the Working Parties who assisted in the development of the Modified Production Code of Practice we register vehicles to today, (this document was original implemented in 1994) however the ASRF who was part of the original Working Party was not consulted (they were forgotten). This document has been closed for Public Comment for some time now, technically the ASRF or any other party other than the working party have no rebuff on this document, however the RTA have advised they would like our input on any issues in this document. We are still waiting on a complete draft of the VSB14.

Another point raised at the meeting was the implementation of the revised VSI50 (Raising and lowering of vehicles) this has been well documented through the ASRF as the ASRF Committee brokered a deal with the RTA that Street Rods have exemption to this document. The RTA advised that they are looking to implement VSI50 in August 2010 and there will be a grace period.

The RTA also advised that the new Engineering System is hoped to be implemented in February 2011.

On another matter and I hope I am not speaking out of term, but to try and minimise phone calls and people’s concerns that nothing is being done for post 49 vehicles, I am meeting with some prominent car enthusiasts this Friday, with the intent of the group to establish an Umbrella Association for all vehicle registrations (i.e. Street Machines, Vintage & Veteran, 4 Wheel Drives, Modified Vehicles, etc). This Association will not be looking at taking over the registration or administration from these car groups, it is purely for numbers, if a group has issues or needs assistance in registration with numbers backing an Association we can achieve a lot more than each individual group on its own. I agree with some people’s opinions in this forum that things look dark however on a brighter note we have people ready to take the fight, we need to not get confused about these issues, not think some organisation is going to take over the world, we just need to trust and assist those taking up the fight after all we are all motor enthusiast looking to keep what we believe is rightfully ours. Years ago I figured out that it was ok to complain once, but if you want results you need to take action, you need to do it in the right process and in due course to get the right results.

We will keep you informed on further information pertaining to the Umbrella Association.

I would like to remind everybody that the Directors and Committees of the ASRF are Volunteers, no one is being paid for their efforts.

Something to think about when talking to Politicians you talk numbers, the more numbers the bigger the ears open up, Politicians talk electorate (numbers) an electorate is equal to 47,500 voters so if we have 600,000 members under one Umbrella Association we should be able to pull a chair up to the table when needed.

At this point I would like to thank all those who are supporting us in this fight to keep our Hobbies, Passions and Heritage alive.

I hope this has cleared up some confusion.

Mark, supposedly this was raised at the last NSW D.C. meeting. Reps., Elvis being one of them, had been in discusions with NSW RTA re: this matter.
Was led to believe that the NSW's RTA, wants all new "modified vehicles"( that includes all modified vehicles, not just rods!!)
rego'd after December 2010, to be on "concessional registration". If the owner wanted to, they could try for ICV, but would have to comply with ADR's applicable, at the time of applying for rego. As the ADR's are an ever moving "set of goal posts" ( think electronic stability control, air bags , supplimental restraint systems, to name a few ) achieving ICV status would be almost impossible for the average constructor.
I'm also told they want the final say on registration of a particular vehicle, not just the current, engineer- blue slip- rego set of steps.
As I prefaced this with "supposedly", I would like to say I hope I'm wrong, and will be delighted to be so.
However I have a, "not so good feeling" about all of this, because we have been through all of this before, a la early '80's from memory.

King Nothing wrote:This was posted on another forum from one of the big wigs at Australian Street Rod Federation

- Sounds like a modified car alliance will be starting up soon, similar to the LVVTA NZ (google it).