Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I was contemplating racing the GQ next season in production class. Cheap to start with but due to limited mods its going to get beat up as a wagon, it's petrol carby so it's no power house.

Next plan is GU coil cab, Factory ute, 4.2 diesel can make good HP within guideline's, GU diffs and steering are factory stronger. Besides say a new 79 cruiser coil ute v8 turbo diesel( totally out of my price range) is this my best bet? It needs to be able to get me away on weekends and plenty of social wheeling as well if it's not broken haha.

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Before you commit $$$ to a race car make sure racing is happening first. Alot of the Victorian racing seems to have been stopped at the moment, we need to get behind the sport and get something done otherwise the might be no racing at all!

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Probally going to get hated on here but a jeep would rock the production class.

Plenty of wheel travel, pretty fast with the 4L, tight turning circle, light so the winch will drag its ass up nice and quick, heaps of clearance compared to patrols and such under the diffs, heaps of room for the maximum tyre size with minimal lift if you cut it, smaller truck to start with so good in tight sections and there is a rediculous amount of aftermarket support.

Dont fall into the trap of believing the old saying, they cost too much to fix and you cant buy parts anywhere.

Well in production class i wont be comminting to much of the car to race only mods so regardless i'd still buy it, Jeep is no good to me as i want a tray to minimise panels to smash.

Many believe the extra bulk and weight of the GU makes them less ideal for racing. A coil-cab GQ would be my preferance, assuming these were available in petrol. I think you could get more speed out of a petrol GQ than turbo diesel GU within the rules, especially dollar for dollar.

HUSSLN wrote:Well in production class i wont be comminting to much of the car to race only mods so regardless i'd still buy it, Jeep is no good to me as i want a tray to minimise panels to smash.

wrangler soft top would have less panel to damage than a ute cab IMO, plus there are plenty of options for stronger corner pieces etc.

I really need to keep a happy medium, I want the turbo diesel for touring duties and i want the factory ute for less panels and the usability camping and social wheeling. That is my argument to the missus to race anyway. So far she's on board haha

are you allowed engine mods? (like, a transplant engine?) - go a LWB sierra... cut the guards, up the tyre size, put a 1.6L engine in and go nuts!

Production class is stock body, stock engine, 4 inch sus lift and 35inch tyres. The basics anyway, with your 6 point cage being mandatory throughout. Challenge is open for custom's but other people have deeper pockets than i do so not going there yet.

ahhh - well... a sierra with 2" spring, 2" body and guard chop can run 35's and stock engine no worries... it wouldnt be fast but it would go anywhere if you addressed gearing and lockers.

if its outright speed though, what about getting say, an old WRX or Lancer (AWD) and lifting that with tyres? =P RALLY STYLE!



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GU ute will be best. Strong front diff and if you are allowed the factory Turbo diesel it will haul arse and still be very economical for touring duties. Plenty of room in the cab too.

Cris

Cheers ludacris. It's what i had my mind set on, finding one in victoria is another story. Didnt realise there were so many leaf rear models.

tj wrangler power to weight is ace , ace suspension , tyres are out from the body so panel damage is minimal compared
to all the buses that are used more commonly . parts are cheap if you know how to use the internet .

Mate of mine is selling his 80 Series turbo diesel, cut down into dual cab ,with cage winch bar etc, ready to race, can give u his number if you want. Cheers Steve.

Unidriveshafts wrote:Mate of mine is selling his 80 Series turbo diesel, cut down into dual cab ,with cage winch bar etc, ready to race, can give u his number if you want. Cheers Steve.

needs to be stock body

I like the way the good points of the jeep were highlighted with a slight forgetfulness to mention that a corolla has a stronger driveline and steering components. Slightly important in comp.

Ruffy wrote:I like the way the good points of the jeep were highlighted with a slight forgetfulness to mention that a corolla has a stronger driveline and steering components. Slightly important in comp.

flexytj wrote:

Ruffy wrote:I like the way the good points of the jeep were highlighted with a slight forgetfulness to mention that a corolla has a stronger driveline and steering components. Slightly important in comp.

Don't roll your eyes.. it's a valid point. In stock form they're a great vehicle for there designed purpose. But big tyres and comp use....... You know they're just not strong enough in stock form. That's why there are so many aftermarket components for them.

Ruffy wrote:

flexytj wrote:

Ruffy wrote:I like the way the good points of the jeep were highlighted with a slight forgetfulness to mention that a corolla has a stronger driveline and steering components. Slightly important in comp.

Don't roll your eyes.. it's a valid point. In stock form they're a great vehicle for there designed purpose. But big tyres and comp use....... You know they're just not strong enough in stock form. That's why there are so many aftermarket components for them.

if you want valid points here they are

every car has its weaknesses as a whole a jeeps is a good package the engines , gearbox and transfers are strong the rear dana 44 is strong and the d30 is ok for anything up to 35s which fits well
with production class and it will have a much higher power to weight and be more responsive than any shit box pootrol or blandcruiser in production the reason there is so many aftermarket parts is
the fact they are a much more popular and accomplished offroad car through out the world than a shit box patrol is .

every winch challenge i have been to all i see is broken patrols and cruisers so dont try and pimp them off as the be all and end all of 4x4s as all they are is overweight
shopping trolleys with crap suspension and gutless crap motors to get a good patrol for production class you need to pony up the coin for td gu ute .

the only reason patrols are popular is because they are a dime a dozen .

Lighter weight vehicles don't need big heavy components. patrols and land cruisers need big heavy components in the driveline as they're severely overweight.

I have had both vehicles now (patrol and a jeep) and if i were looking to do competitive stuff I too would be looking at a Jeep rather than the Patrols despite their common parts and "tough" image.

In saying that, as you're obviously toying with a bit of cash you could look at a JK which has an even better suspension setup than the TJ and a better wheelbase for more stable high speed sections and also the hilly stuff.

Where in the rules does it say that you can't run better quality axles and crownwheel/pinions? Stock jeep stuff is average, heaps of proper aftermarket upgrade kits which turn the stock D30 and D44 into pretty tough axles while maintaining the standard housing, track, etc.

Plus you'll be introducing some variety into the competition. the less pootrols competing the more interesting the event will become.

The other alternative is a Rover. Where's grimace?

Yom wrote:Lighter weight vehicles don't need big heavy components. patrols and land cruisers need big heavy components in the driveline as they're severely overweight.

I have had both vehicles now (patrol and a jeep) and if i were looking to do competitive stuff I too would be looking at a Jeep rather than the Patrols despite their common parts and "tough" image.

In saying that, as you're obviously toying with a bit of cash you could look at a JK which has an even better suspension setup than the TJ and a better wheelbase for more stable high speed sections and also the hilly stuff.

Where in the rules does it say that you can't run better quality axles and crownwheel/pinions? Stock jeep stuff is average, heaps of proper aftermarket upgrade kits which turn the stock D30 and D44 into pretty tough axles while maintaining the standard housing, track, etc.

Plus you'll be introducing some variety into the competition. the less pootrols competing the more interesting the event will become.

The other alternative is a Rover. Where's grimace?

Production class is standard drive line , no upgraded axles cv,s, crown wheels and so on with very little lift and bigger tyres. He also said he wanted to go touring with the vehicle so he wants fuel economy and he also said he prefers a tray.

Cris

ludacris wrote:

Yom wrote:Lighter weight vehicles don't need big heavy components. patrols and land cruisers need big heavy components in the driveline as they're severely overweight.

I have had both vehicles now (patrol and a jeep) and if i were looking to do competitive stuff I too would be looking at a Jeep rather than the Patrols despite their common parts and "tough" image.

In saying that, as you're obviously toying with a bit of cash you could look at a JK which has an even better suspension setup than the TJ and a better wheelbase for more stable high speed sections and also the hilly stuff.

Where in the rules does it say that you can't run better quality axles and crownwheel/pinions? Stock jeep stuff is average, heaps of proper aftermarket upgrade kits which turn the stock D30 and D44 into pretty tough axles while maintaining the standard housing, track, etc.

Plus you'll be introducing some variety into the competition. the less pootrols competing the more interesting the event will become.

The other alternative is a Rover. Where's grimace?

Production class is standard drive line , no upgraded axles cv,s, crown wheels and so on with very little lift and bigger tyres. He also said he wanted to go touring with the vehicle so he wants fuel economy and he also said he prefers a tray.

Cris

not the case as far as upgrading axles or ring and pinions re section 4.4.4
http://www.ccda4wd.com.au/images/CCDAFW ... ion9.0.pdf