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Thanks to the outers crew I was able to find someone to sort my springs by getting the front reset and lowerong the car to a suitable height, very happy to have acheived this finally.

Now I need to get a custom sway bar sorted, as I cannot fit a currie bar.

Can anyone suggest some Mlebourne based companies that can help with this.

Cheers

u cant make the standard 60 series ones work?

Z()LTAN wrote:u cant make the standard 60 series ones work?

No, the front one fits the rear diff really well once the diff is flipped, but the sway bar arms come under the axle directly below the lower control arms, so I can't put a sway bar link up to the chassis.

I could possibly look at offsetting the conector for the sway bar link or making some cranked links, but at the end of the day when the axle wants to travel down the control arm will hit the sway bar arm.

Might have to check that out this afternoon and possibly it can be a pattern to have a slightly wider or thinner bar made.

Cheers

I'd got see Stu, at Induro Offroad in Bayswater.

He will ba able to help i'm tipping

B.D.R wrote:I'd got see Stu, at Induro Offroad in Bayswater.

He will ba able to help i'm tipping

Cool as thanks, and only 10 mins down the road.

Cheers

I realise it's not the same, but could you make a sway bar work by connecting the arms of the sway bar to the control arms?

-Scott- wrote:I realise it's not the same, but could you make a sway bar work by connecting the arms of the sway bar to the control arms?

Sort of, I can't see why it would not work, but getting the rate right would be a neat trick.

Also in the case of the 60 sway bar, it would be under the arms ready to get hung up.

Cheers

You could cut the bar and use a sleeve to make it wider/narrower to clear the control arms. Make the sleeve a tight fit over the ends and use grub screws to lock the sleeve and 2 halves of the bar together.

Search the mitsubishi forum for posts on articulator by bitsamissin (spelling ??) to see a similar method (in that case the bar was cut and the sleeve was made so the bar could be disconnected - not to change the width). Not sure if any of the pics will still be there.

That could be worth a try, will investigate.

Cheers

Struth wrote:That could be worth a try, will investigate.

Cheers

Found some pics of Bitsamissin's articulator.

As I remember; sway bar was cut and one half of articulator fitted to the ends and locked to it with the grub screws that are clearly shown in pics. A pin was used to connect/disconnect the sway bar for on/off road. When sway bar is disconnected one end of the bar rotates freely in one half of the articulator, so it has a grease nipple to provide lubrication.

If disconnection is not required, simply an increase of the width of the bar, then use a simple one piece sleeve.

First pic is manual version, 2nd uses a pneumatic actuator to engage/disengage the pin.

another option to look at could be having the swaybar mounted on the rear side of the diff with arms facing the rear. You would get away from having the swaybar fouling the lower links.
I had sway bars like this on HQ utes along time ago.

Bush65 wrote:

Struth wrote:That could be worth a try, will investigate.

Cheers

Found some pics of Bitsamissin's articulator.

As I remember; sway bar was cut and one halve of articulator fitted to the ends and locked to it with the grub screws that are clearly shown in pics. A pin was used to connect/disconnect the sway bar for on/off road. When sway bar is disconnected one end of the bar rotates freely in one half of the articulator, so it has a grease nipple to provide lubrication.

If disconnection is not required, simply an increase of the width of the bar, then use a simple one piece sleeve.

First pic is manual version, 2nd uses a pneumatic actuator to engage/disengage the pin.

That is some nice work right there, very well done.

80's_delirious wrote:another option to look at could be having the swaybar mounted on the rear side of the diff with arms facing the rear. You would get away from having the swaybar fouling the lower links.
I had sway bars like this on HQ utes along time ago.

Need to investigate that but the panhard chassis bracket is the biggest obstacle to putting either a sway or currie bar behind the diff.

Cheers

sorry but what 4x4 is it? leaf or coil?

Struth wrote: That is some nice work right there, very well done.

You're not wrong, that's a great idea. Is that how the rubicon jeeps do it?

12ht wrote:sorry but what 4x4 is it? leaf or coil?

Coil, 60 series diff in a 4 Runner, hence the difficulties.

Cheers

stuee wrote:

Struth wrote: That is some nice work right there, very well done.

You're not wrong, that's a great idea. Is that how the rubicon jeeps do it?

Those were made by bitsamissin (Frank) - he sold a few some years ago. Apparently it was difficult to disconnect the swaybay on his pajero.

Here are 2 other pics I found with a similar method of disconnecting a swaybar. I'm not sure as too much time has passed since I saved the pics, but I think the 1st may be from a rubicon jeep. The vehicle in the 2nd pic is a dodge wagon, but I don't recall if the swaybar disconnect was stock dodge or converted using a rubicon disconnect.





Edit: I also like this idea http://www.x-eng.co.uk/X-Deflex.asp?MID=2 from X-Eng in the UK
It is for a Land Rover 110 and uses a long side rear axle shaft, the standard drive flange on one side,
and a free wheeling hub on the other. The drive flange and free wheeling hub bolt to the swaybar arms - in this case one arm is boomerang shape to clear the exhaust tail pipe.



Edit 2: Here is a link to a thread from 2004 on bitsamissin's articulator http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=29797

That last pic with the currie bar is some good food for thought.

Cheers

Struth wrote:

80's_delirious wrote:another option to look at could be having the swaybar mounted on the rear side of the diff with arms facing the rear. You would get away from having the swaybar fouling the lower links.
I had sway bars like this on HQ utes along time ago.

Need to investigate that but the panhard chassis bracket is the biggest obstacle to putting either a sway or currie bar behind the diff.

Cheers

Have also seen HQs with a swaybar mounted to the chassis behind the rear diff, with link rods going down to the diff. Kind of all arse about to what you would normally see, a bit like the pic above of the landy

Bush65 wrote: The vehicle in the 2nd pic is a dodge wagon, but I don't recall if the swaybar disconnect was stock dodge or converted using a rubicon disconnect.

The power wagon is a factory fit. part of the "power wagon" package like the winch, skid plates, special bead retaining wheels etc ..

I had a ford maverick/gq lwb in 1989 and I think it had a rear disconnecting sway bar, no idea on how it worked but others will.