Outer Limits 4x4 Board

What is the most power anyone has achieved out of this motor and what mods are possible ????

I have already installed a steinbauer chip, three inch exhaust and LPG, and I was wondering if anyone had played with the turbo or upgraded and the troubles they encountered with the computer while doing this

DP chip and 3" exhaust - 185Hp and 528Nm
Dp chip no exhaust make 155Hp

http://www.dpchip.com/dynos.html

guy at work has done exhaust, E-boost2 and a steinbauer tuned for the extra boost (17psi) and got 200hp at the wheels on 31s

you could upgrade it to the 1HD FTE
Its been said here before they run a different turbo but same internals.....on the motor?
different computer? or tripped up...same.......
and then intercool it......
power TO BURN...........
power wise theor stock 155kw.....
then its all on from their....with what you do.

Yeah that's why I would like to do is change the turbo if it dosent cause to much trouble with the ecu
Would like to talk to some one who has done this first though and make sure it is possible

CRUZAAMAD wrote:you could upgrade it to the 1HD FTE

What? Doesn't he already have the 1HD-FTE?

1HD fte is in the UTE
1HD FTE is in the WAGON......
thrashlux from what ive read in his post
was the FTE is a different turbo.... could be different electrics to...
just what ive read....

and here it is........from thrashlux...
ooh so much more to getting that power.


ok phew
the 79series also came out with the 1hdfte it is a 24 valve directly injected turbo charged engine with electronic control and the H150 gearbox ( same as 80 series)
power out put 122 kW with 380 Nm
this engine does not have any of those 1hz problems because the fuel is injected straight into the cylinder also 4 valves gives you better gas flow = power
gearbox is very strong suitable for towing etc


then ontop of that there is the 100 series 1HDFTE
this motor looks the same as the one from the ute but its not
it has many diferent parts to the lesser ute version main power producing ones are --- injector pump , turbo,ecu and an intercooler
this version puts out 151kw and about 430-440 nm but the main difference is how it does it it does this torque from 1200 rpm all the way to 3200
there is no easy way to increase the power of the ute engine as you need to change all those components mentioned to get the power
the ecu in the 100 is mapped to around 18.5 and normal boost is 16.5
the ute version will go thru fuel cut at about 15 psi and normal boost is set about 11.5
there is no way of getting around this "fuel cut"
the 100 series version can easily be made to put out over 180kw and close to 600nm with 3 inch exhaust, bigger cooler and chip

so ultimate for your truck would be a 79 series td box + 100 series engine

SimonInAustralia wrote:

CRUZAAMAD wrote:you could upgrade it to the 1HD FTE

What? Doesn't he already have the 1HD-FTE?

thats how i read it

I believe the difference between the wagons and utes is the wagons have an intercooler, the ute doesn't.

There is no physical difference between the ute and wagon motors in Australia some countries have a different turbo on later 100s
There is also no difference in the fuel system.
There is also no name difference, Only differences are in the computer and intercooler.


Thrashlux if you know different please show us proof as every fte i have seen ute or wagon is the same



I am very interested to see how you go with a bigger turbo

CRUZAAMAD wrote:1HD fte is in the UTE
1HD FTE is in the WAGON......
thrashlux from what ive read in his post
was the FTE is a different turbo.... could be different electrics to...
just what ive read....

No, there isn't lower case fte and upper case FTE model codes. They are both 1HD-FTE.

The 1HD-FTE in the 78/79 series is non-intercooled, in the 100 series it is intercooled and apparently has stronger internals according to some.

Difference would probably be the intercooling and possibly stronger internals allowing more power to be programmed into the ECU without sacrificing factory reliability.

its all electronic differences, engines are the same internally and i have seen a ute motor put into a wagon and it still made 126kw at the rear wheels with just an exhaust

chunderlicious wrote:its all electronic differences, engines are the same internally and i have seen a ute motor put into a wagon and it still made 126kw at the rear wheels with just an exhaust

Not according to toyota- theres different part numbers for Pistons between the 100 and 79, Fuel pumps have different part numbers, Injector nozzles are different, Turbo's are different and toyota even list two different part numbers for long blocks.

They ARE a different engine between the two.

They also list different part numbers for the box in a hdj79 and a fzj105 and a different part number for the diff centres in a hzj105 and a hzj79 and even the inner axel seals for almost every live axel toyota have a different part number yet we all know they are exactly the same, they are even the same as a gq patrol wich also has a different part number.

We want real measurements and specs
I have spent alot of time up close to both and driven a car with a ute motor and wagon management, but i have been wrong before

Sorry if i caused confusion with the upper and lower case thing that is not because of any difference in the engine but has more to do with my lazy finger on the shift button.

there are diferences between the 2 engines and lots of em
just one out of all the ones that ferrit mentions which as far as i know are all correct
this is to all those who say they are the same
how does the 100 series achieve 16.5 psi nominal boost when the 79 runs 11.5 if the turbo's and all the other stuff are the same???

badger wrote:They also list different part numbers for the box in a hdj79 and a fzj105 and a different part number for the diff centres in a hzj105 and a hzj79 and even the inner axel seals for almost every live axel toyota have a different part number yet we all know they are exactly the same, they are even the same as a gq patrol wich also has a different part number.

We want real measurements and specs
I have spent alot of time up close to both and driven a car with a ute motor and wagon management, but i have been wrong before

79 series has different shifter locations and also non full time 4x4 compared to fz 105 which came out in gxl
diff centeres and axle seals dunno why

i have run a 100 series engine with 79 series management but its not running to full potential
just because its running does not mean its right

badger wrote:There is no physical difference between the ute and wagon motors in Australia some countries have a different turbo on later 100s
There is also no difference in the fuel system.
There is also no name difference, Only differences are in the computer and intercooler.


Thrashlux if you know different please show us proof as every fte i have seen ute or wagon is the same



I am very interested to see how you go with a bigger turbo

i would expect if you fitted 100 series managent and turbo onto a 79 engine it would give you a large increase in power and torque
as ferrit has stated the pump is a different part number
i have swapped pump ,turbo ,and management onto a 79 series donk and it went like a 100 series i am guessing the different part number pistons would not limit power
i actually "heard"the pistons in the 100 series are not designed to run with out intercooler but this is hear say as i have not done it my self
but the pump and turbo i have swapped and have different numbers
its obvious they are different as the waste gate on one is set at 11.5 and 16.5 on the other

fuel cut is also about 4 psi lower on the ute engine (in the computer)

On my '06 100 series FTE and auto, with 3.5" dump/3" exhaust, PWR front mount with 2.5" piping, it runs 13.5-14.5 psi, nowhere near 16.5psi, which is when the engine check light should come on. I have personally hooked up a boost gauge to a factory 05 100 with auto, and never saw anything over 12psi. Factory 79 is about 9psi too.

My "05" HDJ79R was running about 14.5 PSI boost in standard trim and have now turned it up to 17.5 PSI. The "fuel cut" that is being mentioned happens at about 18 PSI which is very pronounced when you hit it. I have a 3.500" dump pipe into a 3.000" zaust with no muffler and a Rapid chip, it was making 137hp at 14.5 PSI on 265-75-16 tyres, but it was getting to 700c EGT's without to much problem, i then gave it a bit more boost and the EGT's came down but it hasen't been on the Dyno since. If I had a spare $10000 or $20000 It would have a custom BB turbo and Custom WAIC and some computer magic, it's got the potentional just need's $$$$$.

slowhilux wrote:On my '06 100 series FTE and auto, with 3.5" dump/3" exhaust, PWR front mount with 2.5" piping, it runs 13.5-14.5 psi, nowhere near 16.5psi, which is when the engine check light should come on. I have personally hooked up a boost gauge to a factory 05 100 with auto, and never saw anything over 12psi. Factory 79 is about 9psi too.

sounds a bit low in the boost dept
will check but factory manual states 16.5 nominal for 98-2003 100 series in the waste gate testing section
you may be missing out on a heap of power

boost cut for the ute engine is a lot lower than the 100 series (due to electrical differences)

1 or 2 psi max would be acceptable drop over the intercooler due to the cooling effect causing the air to contract
but 12 psi seems too low

9 psi for a ute is fine as it is set at about 10 psi i think its like 10 +-1.5 psi or something

UPPY wrote:My "05" HDJ79R was running about 14.5 PSI boost in standard trim and have now turned it up to 17.5 PSI. The "fuel cut" that is being mentioned happens at about 18 PSI which is very pronounced when you hit it. I have a 3.500" dump pipe into a 3.000" zaust with no muffler and a Rapid chip, it was making 137hp 300FtLb at 14.5 PSI on 265-75-16 tyres, but it was getting to 700c EGT's without to much problem, i then gave it a bit more boost and the EGT's came down but it hasen't been on the Dyno since. If I had a spare $10000 or $20000 It would have a custom BB turbo and Custom WAIC and some computer magic, it's got the potentional just need's $$$$$.

does your rapid chip raise the boost cut??
as the factory set for 79 is around the 15 mark
vs 18-20 for the 100

what we really need is an aftermarket computer manufacturer to get on board and start doing some aftermarket turbo diesel computers like what you can buy for efi petrol cars
that way we could drop an fte in put a bleeder on the wastegate and bigger cooler and go nuts
even better comon rail stuff like the 1vd or the 1kd also need variable vane turbo outputs

thrashlux wrote:

UPPY wrote:My "05" HDJ79R was running about 14.5 PSI boost in standard trim and have now turned it up to 17.5 PSI. The "fuel cut" that is being mentioned happens at about 18 PSI which is very pronounced when you hit it. I have a 3.500" dump pipe into a 3.000" zaust with no muffler and a Rapid chip, it was making 137hp at 14.5 PSI on 265-75-16 tyres, but it was getting to 700c EGT's without to much problem, i then gave it a bit more boost and the EGT's came down but it hasen't been on the Dyno since. If I had a spare $10000 or $20000 It would have a custom BB turbo and Custom WAIC and some computer magic, it's got the potentional just need's $$$$$.

does your rapid chip raise the boost cut??
as the factory set for 79 is around the 15 mark
vs 18-20 for the 100

what we really need is an aftermarket computer manufacturer to get on board and start doing some aftermarket turbo diesel computers like what you can buy for efi petrol cars
that way we could drop an fte in put a bleeder on the wastegate and bigger cooler and go nuts
even better comon rail stuff like the 1vd or the 1kd also need variable vane turbo outputs

I put it on the rollers again yesterday and it went 153.2 HP on 285-75-16 tyres. The torque figure i quoted before was incorrect. I was led to belive that the fuel cut was higher on the ute comapared to the wagon's? i might have to put a boost guage on the wife's 100 and see what it makes.

UPPY wrote:

thrashlux wrote:

UPPY wrote:My "05" HDJ79R was running about 14.5 PSI boost in standard trim and have now turned it up to 17.5 PSI. The "fuel cut" that is being mentioned happens at about 18 PSI which is very pronounced when you hit it. I have a 3.500" dump pipe into a 3.000" zaust with no muffler and a Rapid chip, it was making 137hp at 14.5 PSI on 265-75-16 tyres, but it was getting to 700c EGT's without to much problem, i then gave it a bit more boost and the EGT's came down but it hasen't been on the Dyno since. If I had a spare $10000 or $20000 It would have a custom BB turbo and Custom WAIC and some computer magic, it's got the potentional just need's $$$$$.

does your rapid chip raise the boost cut??
as the factory set for 79 is around the 15 mark
vs 18-20 for the 100

what we really need is an aftermarket computer manufacturer to get on board and start doing some aftermarket turbo diesel computers like what you can buy for efi petrol cars
that way we could drop an fte in put a bleeder on the wastegate and bigger cooler and go nuts
even better comon rail stuff like the 1vd or the 1kd also need variable vane turbo outputs

I put it on the rollers again yesterday and it went 153.2 HP on 285-75-16 tyres. The torque figure i quoted before was incorrect. I was led to belive that the fuel cut was higher on the ute comapared to the wagon's? i might have to put a boost guage on the wife's 100 and see what it makes.

you would need to run a bleeder in the wagon to raise the boost level to the point of fuel cut say 18- 20 psi
then repeat in the ute with the chip removed

the fuel cut is a protection against over boost in a factory car normally set about 4-5 psi above upper nominal boost figure
so utes nom figure is 10 +- 1 psi so about 15 psi fuel cut
wagon nom is about 16 psi +-1 psi so around 19 -20 psi
the fact you have a chip in your ute may change the fuel cut to a higher level not the fact it is a ute

I will be putting a boost gauge on mine soon. I didnt realise they ran such high boost for a stocker!

They sure burn clean in stock form though

Dieslex wrote:I will be putting a boost gauge on mine soon. I didnt realise they ran such high boost for a stocker!

They sure burn clean in stock form though

sure do it seems like a waste changing the oil at 5000 i left it in till 7000km and its still clean
like its cleaner than my 1hz was at 300 km its crazy

Anyone know of a chip for the FTE that actually does internal mapping changes (like advancing/retarding timing under certain conditions etc).

Most of the modules I have seen simply give more fuel by altering the pulse width to the EDU.

A question for the 200hp @ wheels FTE @ 17psi - any exhaust smoke or still clean at that level???

Dieslex wrote:Anyone know of a chip for the FTE that actually does internal mapping changes (like advancing/retarding timing under certain conditions etc).

Most of the modules I have seen simply give more fuel by altering the pulse width to the EDU.

A question for the 200hp @ wheels FTE @ 17psi - any exhaust smoke or still clean at that level???

slight bit more smoke than a new navara put out when pushed... the guy had about 1200kg on the tray all the time and towed a trailer aswell, not much smoke came out. when he took everything off the tray to sell it, he gave it a boot full and it easily spun the wheels for about 10 metres down a private road.... was quite impressive really.

Now that I had my 1HD-FTE dynoes, I can tell you that miniscule mods, I put down 177hp@ all 4 wheels on 31's. That is wheel HP (132kw) not crank HP. So many confuse the two when quoting dyno readout.

I posted the graph on my LX470 V8 to 1HDFTE conversion page

ferrit wrote: They ARE a different engine between the two.

The parts are the same, as seen by the first group of numbers in the part number.

The second part of the number is different because it denotes a different model car.