Outer Limits 4x4 Board

After the 15th load of trees to the dump in Innisfail the other day the load and unload rapidly lost its appeal.

It was made even worse by the bloke in the ute next to me took about 30 seconds to tip his out.

So how much and how hard would it be to do this to my patrol ute.

Discuss.

Black Bull off here did a tipping tray to his 80 ute. it was more of a comp tray than anything though.

Look for his build thread here.

Found this

http://www.tipperkits.com.au/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ive seen complete kits on Ebay for around $1500

IM trying to find one to use for a car trailer but it only needs to go up around 250mm. Currently use a trolley jack

My old man has a tipper tray on his 75. Very similar in design to the tipperkits.com.au ones but built as a tipper instead of as an add on. One problem he has had was that the hinge (1" steel rod through 3/4" plate) rusted and seized and sheered through on one side. The ram proceeded to try and slide the tray off the back of the ute (the load was pretty heavy). I suppose one thing to look for would be grease-able, double sheer hinges. His hydraulic system appears to be a bit more serious than what is illustrated on that website, too. It has had problems with valves sticking, too (frustrating but not crippling)

My uncle had one on 75 that used an exhaust jack type arrangement ( permanent install ) with valves on the exhaust to raise the tipper part..

I got a new tipper just last week






49 ton pay load

How much hp does it have? 6 axle tipping dog

SCANAS wrote:How much hp does it have? 6 axle tipping dog

looks like an fm volvo so 12 litre max 480 hp

500 auto disk brakes front to back abs ect does not like hills

Hamo wrote:500 auto disk brakes front to back abs ect does not like hills

I dont imagine it would fawk the ol FM 480 I was pulling a 19m set with hated the newcastle run and that was only 55t now I complain when im up on my weights with a 585 isx pulling a single

Tiny wrote:

Hamo wrote:500 auto disk brakes front to back abs ect does not like hills

I dont imagine it would fawk the ol FM 480 I was pulling a 19m set with hated the newcastle run and that was only 55t now I complain when im up on my weights with a 585 isx pulling a single

All good im 48 on hourly pay with overtime tea money ect im on 80 grand a year home every night and my back has never felt better in the last 25 years

This thing breaks tracton loaded in the wet so it has enough power for the job
and we dont have to many big hill to worry about

over all lenth is 25 meters the draw bar is 4.8 meters and has to have clearance lights on it

toaddog wrote:After the 15th load of trees to the dump in Innisfail the other day the load and unload rapidly lost its appeal.

It was made even worse by the bloke in the ute next to me took about 30 seconds to tip his out.

So how much and how hard would it be to do this to my patrol ute.

Discuss.

just one thing to watch is the extra weight. i know the tipper gear doesn't weigh a lot but the more it weighs the less load you can carry. as the load capacity of the utes is not a lot. the extra framing, pump, oil, ram etc can mean you loose up to half of your load capacity.
might be better off with a small real truck.

Hamo wrote:I got a new tipper just last week






49 ton pay load

they could of atleast given you a twin steer tri axle tipper to go with the dog

ledgend80 wrote:

Hamo wrote:I got a new tipper just last week






49 ton pay load

they could of atleast given you a twin steer tri axle tipper to go with the dog

Yes thats what they (the company) wanted but vic roads would not allow it.

This 1 is legal at 68.5 tonne we currently have 6 of them on the road with more being built.

They are an experiment vechical at the moment between vicroads and the company i belive the agreement is for 14 setups but they have to be built and on the road before a certian date (i dont know the date but i think it end of march). They can not be sold on and re regoed in vic and may be banned in 12 months.

Sorry toaddog i seem to have highjacked your thread.

I whould buy 1 of these hydro setups http://www.tipperkits.com.au/tipperkit.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
make my own frame and bolt an alumi (sp) tray to it
Id but the biggest set up there and mount the ram in a vertcal positon
and mount the rear the same as real tipper 1 solid bar 1" should be plenty (mine only has a 45mm bar) with steel bushs welded to to 4 1/2" mounting plates
4 mounting plates in total 1 for each side of a chassis rail dont forget to use crush tubes in the chassis rails 3 or 4 mouting holes should do on both the chassis and frame. drill and tap the steel bushes for grease nipples
Maybe your local steel suppler may already sell these tapped

Go and have a look at a big tipper the things are everywhere basic setup realy

edit
I should add go easy on how much weight you put on it as you could end up on your side if you overload it

Spoke to a cousin of mine and he does heavy vehicle repairs etc and has built some from stratch. He says its an excellent price for the kits.

I have a steel tray on the patrol and would want to keep that. The company is offering the 1500kg kit delivered here for 2650. Can use the cousins workshop to do the job.

Will probably do it in the near future and will put up pics. If the old bloke over the back gets back from his travels soon will get him to do the frame and just buy the ram and pump etc.

Hamo wrote:

Tiny wrote:

Hamo wrote:500 auto disk brakes front to back abs ect does not like hills

I dont imagine it would fawk the ol FM 480 I was pulling a 19m set with hated the newcastle run and that was only 55t now I complain when im up on my weights with a 585 isx pulling a single

All good im 48 on hourly pay with overtime tea money ect im on 80 grand a year home every night and my back has never felt better in the last 25 years

This thing breaks tracton loaded in the wet so it has enough power for the job
and we dont have to many big hill to worry about

over all lenth is 25 meters the draw bar is 4.8 meters and has to have clearance lights on it

Yeah the Volvo donk does pretty well, I pulled a 26m double set with an fm480 and while the big hills sapped the power, it pulled extremely well considering and IMO better than a 475 quantum and a c15 argosy although that was on it's first engine at 1mil kms so was pretty tired

Depending on how much you would use the tipper you could knock up a cheapo version yourself.

It's pretty easy to chuck a big hinging setup to the ass end of the tray. If you have a roll bar you could mount a cheap winch down below the front of the tray. Run the cable up to a rollbar over a small pulley and back down to a hook on the bottom of the tray.

Pretty different idea but hey it could be done

Zookified wrote:Depending on how much you would use the tipper you could knock up a cheapo version yourself.

It's pretty easy to chuck a big hinging setup to the ass end of the tray. If you have a roll bar you could mount a cheap winch down below the front of the tray. Run the cable up to a rollbar over a small pulley and back down to a hook on the bottom of the tray.

Pretty different idea but hey it could be done

ive seen quite a few trailers witha tipper setup just like this, although they used a hand winch.

Shadow wrote:

Zookified wrote:Depending on how much you would use the tipper you could knock up a cheapo version yourself.

It's pretty easy to chuck a big hinging setup to the ass end of the tray. If you have a roll bar you could mount a cheap winch down below the front of the tray. Run the cable up to a rollbar over a small pulley and back down to a hook on the bottom of the tray.

Pretty different idea but hey it could be done

ive seen quite a few trailers witha tipper setup just like this, although they used a hand winch.

Seen it with hand and electri boat winches as well as a larger set up with a 9000pound eBay winch, also saw one that an old fella but using the gear from an old tieman tailgate lifter

When I do it I will be looking at renting the vehicle and myself out on weekends etc for yard pickups etc. That way will claim it on tax.

Tiny wrote:

Shadow wrote:

Zookified wrote:Depending on how much you would use the tipper you could knock up a cheapo version yourself.

It's pretty easy to chuck a big hinging setup to the ass end of the tray. If you have a roll bar you could mount a cheap winch down below the front of the tray. Run the cable up to a rollbar over a small pulley and back down to a hook on the bottom of the tray.

Pretty different idea but hey it could be done

ive seen quite a few trailers witha tipper setup just like this, although they used a hand winch.

Seen it with hand and electri boat winches as well as a larger set up with a 9000pound eBay winch, also saw one that an old fella but using the gear from an old tieman tailgate lifter

Some kind of ratcheting for safety would be desirable wouldn't it? I'd be comfortable building something like that if it could be self locking in the event of a cable snapping. Maybe a sprung brake of some kind that works the way elevators do, needing tension on the cable to be disengaged and engaging forcefully when there is no tension. You'd have to have something.

chimpboy wrote:

Tiny wrote:

Shadow wrote:

Zookified wrote:Depending on how much you would use the tipper you could knock up a cheapo version yourself.

It's pretty easy to chuck a big hinging setup to the ass end of the tray. If you have a roll bar you could mount a cheap winch down below the front of the tray. Run the cable up to a rollbar over a small pulley and back down to a hook on the bottom of the tray.

Pretty different idea but hey it could be done

ive seen quite a few trailers witha tipper setup just like this, although they used a hand winch.

Seen it with hand and electri boat winches as well as a larger set up with a 9000pound eBay winch, also saw one that an old fella but using the gear from an old tieman tailgate lifter

Some kind of ratcheting for safety would be desirable wouldn't it? I'd be comfortable building something like that if it could be self locking in the event of a cable snapping. Maybe a sprung brake of some kind that works the way elevators do, needing tension on the cable to be disengaged and engaging forcefully when there is no tension. You'd have to have something.

Hand winches (boat winches included) have a ratchet on them such that it can only winch in or out, I guess there would be habnd winches without a ratchet, but ive not seen one?

I think if you are using a winch (manual or electric) that is rated for the job, and a quick visual inspection before use, i dont really see a need for a safety,

Worst case if the cable breaks its going to slam back down on the trailer frame, possibly damaging it, but i doubt anyone would be injured.

Winding the bed back down with a hand winch could be the dicky part though, as you have the ratchet disengaged to wind it down, and rely solely on the mechanical advantage of the winch, and your arm muscles to slow the rate of descent.

Shadow wrote:Worst case if the cable breaks its going to slam back down on the trailer frame, possibly damaging it, but i doubt anyone would be injured.

This is the thing that I think would be a bit unacceptable without a safety feature. But thinking about it, I don't think it would be too hard to come up with something.

chimpboy wrote:

Shadow wrote:Worst case if the cable breaks its going to slam back down on the trailer frame, possibly damaging it, but i doubt anyone would be injured.

This is the thing that I think would be a bit unacceptable without a safety feature. But thinking about it, I don't think it would be too hard to come up with something.

Should beable to make something like on the a post hoist!!

chimpboy wrote:

Shadow wrote:Worst case if the cable breaks its going to slam back down on the trailer frame, possibly damaging it, but i doubt anyone would be injured.

This is the thing that I think would be a bit unacceptable without a safety feature. But thinking about it, I don't think it would be too hard to come up with something.

Going on a slight oh+s rant here... The best question (but slightly re-wroded)I've ever been asked is "If that come's down, would you be happy to be underneath it?"

chimpboy wrote:

Shadow wrote:Worst case if the cable breaks its going to slam back down on the trailer frame, possibly damaging it, but i doubt anyone would be injured.

This is the thing that I think would be a bit unacceptable without a safety feature. But thinking about it, I don't think it would be too hard to come up with something.

There is no such thing on full size tippers.

Rule number 1 of tippers
Never put any part of your body (or anyone else's) under a loaded tipper.

2 Use a saftey prop on an empty tipper body when working under the tipping body. You will be suprised at the number of peaple killed whilst working underneath a tipper body.

This is what it looks like when it go's wrong
My old truck 3 weeks after i started where im now



When i had it



For those that want to know c15 cat @ 550 18sp detroit locker diffs for off road work 5" sport's exh ran around at 42 1/2 ton and if you carnt see it it has a sleeper handy when when i took the kids along

I would not use cable of any type.
Cable on winch's have a tendencey to jam up when you dont need it.

Let the desin continue

shakes wrote:

chimpboy wrote:

Shadow wrote:Worst case if the cable breaks its going to slam back down on the trailer frame, possibly damaging it, but i doubt anyone would be injured.

This is the thing that I think would be a bit unacceptable without a safety feature. But thinking about it, I don't think it would be too hard to come up with something.

Going on a slight oh+s rant here... The best question (but slightly re-wroded)I've ever been asked is "If that come's down, would you be happy to be underneath it?"

so apply that to the situation where ANY crane, hoist, or winch is used.

I believe in good OH&S, but there is such a thing as going too far with it.


There is no reason a visual inspection of the winch and cable would not be perfectly adequate.

The kit arrived the other week.

Will make a couple of minor changes like sleeving the holes in the support brackets.

Waiting for time off work to get into it and get it done.

Shadow wrote:

shakes wrote:

chimpboy wrote:

Shadow wrote:Worst case if the cable breaks its going to slam back down on the trailer frame, possibly damaging it, but i doubt anyone would be injured.

This is the thing that I think would be a bit unacceptable without a safety feature. But thinking about it, I don't think it would be too hard to come up with something.

Going on a slight oh+s rant here... The best question (but slightly re-wroded)I've ever been asked is "If that come's down, would you be happy to be underneath it?"

so apply that to the situation where ANY crane, hoist, or winch is used.

I believe in good OH&S, but there is such a thing as going too far with it.


There is no reason a visual inspection of the winch and cable would not be perfectly adequate.

Accidents happen... Proved time and time again, a good well engineerd safety latch $300 being really generous.

Your nephew never being able to use his hand again because you turned your back for 2 minutes and it came crashing down... priceless.

I know I'm over exaggerating and stealing barnsey's clown hat but is it worth the risk? I'll ask again would you be happy to have your hand in there if it came crashing down?