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What sort of kit do people have? Make yor own out of Fishin tacklebox and visit to BigW or chemist, or bought a proper one?

What courses if any have you done? I as level 2 St Johns, but that expired about 8 yrs ago, wanna do a refresher, or restart..

St Johns the best?

I do a refresher course every 3 - 4 years and use the St Johns 4x4 first aid kit with a few "extra" bits added ......... bottle of alcohol for "medicinal purposes" for example !

The kit fits neatly under the seat and I ran a length of "Nitto" tape around the lid opening area to seal it against water/dust etc.

Kingy

I've got the St John's 4WD kit too- lots of gear in it. It was around $120 from memory.

Just make sure you check the use by dates on the gear inside before buying any kit, some of the stuff in mine had less than six months life left.....

We get first aid training at work every year.

Cool topic would like to know more too.

my brother is an outback tour operator and he is St John's trained and equipped. All their drivers have to be St John's trained so it seems to be a fairly clear indication of their worth.

As to the first aid kit how extensive does it need to bve before it ends up being a large box full of stuff no one can use. Nothing worse than having all the gear but no one capable of using it effectively.

Is it better to only have equipment you can use properly or do you hope that those extra bits can be used by someone else you are travelling with?

grimbo wrote:Cool topic would like to know more too.

Going to bring it up at the club tonight, see if I can get any interest in maybe a club, or interclub one going for 4wders only..

Been talkin to a dude off Exploroz, the Paj club ran one internally with some St Johns Accredited 4b dude.

Will let u no

Good insurance

http://www.sjaa.com.au/kits/kits.cfm?category=Motoring&productCode=601801

swag of firstaid links on my page.



As for kits, I was thinking ths softpack ones may be easier to pack??

http://centre.net.au/Trafalgar_Adventur ... 0063E.html

Yeah soft pack is the way to go.

Just had a thought, for those of us that may to competition driving. What's the regualtion for a kit?

Good topic! I've gotta buy a decent kit, a soft pack sounds more appealing than a fishing tackle box.

I like the idea of the tape seal to keep water/dust out, but the GF would soon open it for an aspirin, so I don't think I'd bother.

And as Grimbo points out, at least two people need to know how to use everything, or Murphy will make sure the one with the knowledge is the one who's unconscious.

Note to self: more things to do...

Scott

I bought the St Johns Big Rig kit for truck drivers. It had stuff in it that was mor suited to work accidents & the like so I can use it for a multitude of situations. Had more bandages, salene, band aids, cotton wool & other things for burns and poisons.
Have not had to use it yet thank god.

Good topic Bogged (geeez can't belive I just said that;))

Anyway my Dad is a now retired paramedic, he was in the service for over 25 years. He runs and teachs level 2 first aid with a remote module, meaing he teaches all the stuff you would normally learn with level 2 with and added module that is designed specifically for 4wd drivers. You learn how to treat patients in a roll over, snake bits, concussion etc. He makes it a great w/e, and you will learn heaps about what to expect out on the trail. He has also been a 4wder for over 35 years do he knows what to expect out there.

He does this in accosiation with RAV (Rural Ambulance Victoria), so it's a little bit better than the St John ones

If the Vic guys want to get a course going that would be fine, he needs at least 10 people to go ahead. It also includes a run down on what you should/shouldn't have in your first aid kit etc.

Beginning to wonder if mine actually is a St John one?? Mine's in a soft red nylon pack - there's a lot of gear crammed into it.

Here's a link to the St John ones that you can buy online:

http://www.ambulance.net.au/html/firsta ... erv-2.html

Count me in

Mine's a Red Cross one- available online too:

http://www.redcross.org.au/ourservices_ ... d_kits.htm

LEXX wrote:Good topic Bogged (geeez can't belive I just said that;))

Anyway my Dad is a now retired paramedic, he was in the service for over 25 years. He runs and teachs level 2 first aid with a remote module, meaing he teaches all the stuff you would normally learn with level 2 with and added module that is designed specifically for 4wd drivers. You learn how to treat patients in a roll over, snake bits, concussion etc. He makes it a great w/e, and you will learn heaps about what to expect out on the trail. He has also been a 4wder for over 35 years do he knows what to expect out there.

He does this in accosiation with RAV (Rural Ambulance Victoria), so it's a little bit better than the St John ones

If the Vic guys want to get a course going that would be fine, he needs at least 10 people to go ahead. It also includes a run down on what you should/shouldn't have in your first aid kit etc.

can you pm me his contact details as i would like to find out more so we can run a club weekend and learn abit

LEXX wrote:Good topic Bogged (geeez can't belive I just said that;))

Aweeeeeee..... your making me blush...


Did ya get the $$ for the Tubes??

He does this in accosiation with RAV (Rural Ambulance Victoria), so it's a little bit better than the St John ones

If the Vic guys want to get a course going that would be fine, he needs at least 10 people to go ahead. It also includes a run down on what you should/shouldn't have in your first aid kit etc.

New thread? I'll be in for sure... What sort of cost?
Can he also get the First Aid Kits?? If so, I'll be in that too.. maybe a package deal...

Grimbo, if you dont get enough numbers, I'll join in.. keen to do it agian.

YES I GOT THE MONEY FOR THE TUBES.

I'm in QLD for the ASCC this w/e but will drop them over soon m8.

AS for details guys I will get Dad on here to give you the low down.

LEXX wrote:YES I GOT THE MONEY FOR THE TUBES.

I'm in QLD for the ASCC this w/e but will drop them over soon m8.

AS for details guys I will get Dad on here to give you the low down.

Kewl on tubes dude, just PMed u and they never got thru.

Enjoy the weekend...


Details would rock

I can only speak for NSW qualifications/work cover approved courses, however if you run a business that encompasses the "great outdoors" here's something to note:

Senior First Aid Certificate (weekend cse) industry requirement for police/cadet organisations/etc. and is also work cover approved for upto 30mins outside of a populated area.

Remote module (3 day cse from memory) As Lexx said is orientated towards tour operators/etc. and is designed for travel upto 2hrs out of a metro area

Wilderness module (5 day cse) intense program centred around assessing and treating conditions that will deteriorate due to the factors such as time and exposure to the elements. In addition to these parts of the course work with the assumption that your first aid kit is either running low in supplies during the emergency and other materials that can be improvised i.e. splints...

As Ambulance Service First Aid is a semi-government - it cannot advertise courses in the general media.

Iv'e been running the Four Wheelers First Aid since 1992 and have handed the course module to Rural Ambulance Victoria when insurance went through the roof.
If your in Victoria we can organize a full weekend course for your club or if there are enough on the forum, we can go down that track as well. Need ten minumium to start.

Instruction is done by a Paramedic or a retired version :-) not someone who reads it from a book. The course is an accrediated course and has an OH&S Level two issued at end - with a 4WD module added. It's a BASIC course as if your not involved in the industry, basic is all you need.

Last course was MJOC run at Avoca. Have done courses at Bruntons Bridge, Lake Eildon (banks of), Toolangi and any place you need to mention.
It's a social weekend as well.

Come and get trained as a group....

ozjeeper@dcsi.net.au if you would like more detail.

i have completed and organised many first aid courses in melbourne for people in scouts and at work

we have a relationship with the monash centre for ambulance and paramedic studies and i would recommend them

a few months ago, i sent a few ppl from work on a 2 day, level 2 course for $150
level 3 is a bit more
the cpr refresher is $50

I just finished the 2 day level 2 with St Johns, it was very worthwile. I put my hand up for first aid at work as I knew it would be handy to have with kids and also this silly little habit I have.

I think it came to $190 but I'm not totally sure as my company paid for it.

just did my St John level 2 course couple of weeks ago with work, included almost all of the remote section too. cpr normally valid for 2 years but red cross/st john recommend updating skills each year.

recommend first aid training to anyone. as for first aid kits, the st john 4wd kit is real good, got mine on training day for $80. i got hard plastic case as wont fit under my seat anyway, suspension seat, and hard plastic more durable. i believe bigger kit is good, even if you dont how to use everything hopefully someone else will. also good brief booklet in kit too.

Bruce

I re-read your original question - I tried to put together my own kit from a Chemist, and had a lot of trouble working out what to include/what to leave out. I'll never try that again, purely because I thought it was too much hassle. The toy kit I carry now was bought off the shelf, and my next one will be too - at least if I find I don't have something critical I won't beat myself up as much.

If anybody in Queensland wants to organise something like this, I'm keen.

Cheers,

Scott

I carry the St Johns off road kit in my 4wd.
I have added a few extra bits and pieces to it though.
Have chucked in extra bandages and bandaids, painkillers, anti-diareha tablets(you may laugh but have you tried having a shit in the bush with the runs ), antihistamines (for alergic reactions), waterproof matches, some of that bandaid stuff that you cut to size, and if on a big trip packing a general purpose anti-biotic is a good idea too.
Did a weekend senior first aid course with St Johns too. Well worth it.
Paul.

Admittedly I don't carry a 1st aid kit in the 4WD, and I should know better.

I've done the Leaders Wilderness 1st aid course through The safety Network. In laymans terms its a 7day remote context leaders course and excellent value. You will be stunned at the number of things that need to be known WRT 1st aid, and its a hell of a lot more than DR ABC(DE) and bites / bleeds. A real eye opener.

NJ SWB wrote:Bruce

I re-read your original question - I tried to put together my own kit from a Chemist, and had a lot of trouble working out what to include/what to leave out. I'll never try that again, purely because I thought it was too much hassle.

I cheated yrs ago when I did it, I picked up a first aid kit brochure, went to BigW and got everything in the brochure! Saved about $50 on the full works kit.

Agree, thats why Im thinking of the softpack bag... looks the goods, hope it fits under the seat.

bogged wrote:swag of firstaid links on my page.



As for kits, I was thinking ths softpack ones may be easier to pack??

http://centre.net.au/Trafalgar_Adventur ... 0063E.html

This is the kit I have had for about 12 months and got it real cheap off a rep. Watch that cool spray, lights up better than any volitile gas. Is a great kit and has nearly anything you need plus extra pockets for anything else you want to add.

Thanks guys this is a really interesting thread.....I have never done a first aid course - wouldn't even know where to start to give someone CPR From memory if you have Medibank Private you can use your $100.00 bonus in that to put towards them. Does anyone know how you find out when a course in your area is taking place? I have been trying to get work to organise something but they won't have anything to do with it. I also need a new kit, mine is a few years old now and I noticed when looking in there the other day that things like blades that were in plastic - the glue has deterioated and the paper is falling away from the object - time to invest I think

I completed a level 2 first aid course about a year ago in conjunction with the Scouts and Swinburne Uni....Worth doing for sure!

On first aid kits, i made up one using the same method ad bogged, by copying the contents off one of the kits from work and made my own up!
I just got a bad from my work to store it all in!

Dave