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Of the guys that are running them has anyone busted one yet ?? If so does the warranty hold up in Oz, did you get another one free ??

Are they worth the dough

They'll be nearly $700 each here in NZ compare to $180 for a replacement Birf so I'm not sure which way to go ??

I'm running 35 ET's lock-rites and have never busted a CV! But I'm setting up my just purchased Marlin Dual ( Yahooooo ) and doing alot more time in the rocks, does the Marlin put anymore strain on the CV's ?

the marlin will put more stairn on the cv's if you try and get momentum (shock loads) over rocks, if you just crawl wherever possible i cant see it putting more strain on the cv's I havent bustaed a c.v with my dual setup yet but have done a uni, grenaded a centre bearing and snapped an engine mount. I also personally believe that a lockrighted front will put less load on c'v's than an air locker. (unless the air locker is unlocked all the time).

Yeah but tell him the rest of the story... 2WD hill climbs... bellying out on 3ft rock steps... not a lot of it was due to the duals in normal offroad operation.

First i dont beleive that the longs supplied in Aus come with warranty.But this is only what i have been told by others that perchased them here.Contact Snake racing to confirm this.

I have been running Longs now for maybe 8months(first set in aus)I have flogged the crap out of them and i have tried to break them more than anyone. Snake racing has the video to prove this.
I could break 1 CV every day i wheeled my rig without fail and even sometimes 2 on the one obstical.
The dual case will put a hell of a lot more load on the CV as it binds every part of your drive train up. If you have snaped CVs with stock gearing you will defianatly destroy more with the dual case.


Word of warning about lockrights and detroits with longfields. They suck. If you bind up a wheel and it snapes the inner axle(which it will cause the CV wont let go) you will kiss your lockright/detroit goodby as the shock load will destroy it. This is why longfields have just released a new treated inner axle as well that helps with this problem.He beleives that if you do snap one of these treated axles the shock load will be lessened.

last 3 sets of longs i bought were 750AUS a PAIR, shipped to my door, your going to pay close to that for one, if i had to pay around the 1300-1500 mark for them i dont think i would have bothered.

About 2 weeks ago i broke a CV, inner axle, pinnion gear, ring gear and blew my detroit, it was all standard, no strenghtened inners, longs etc. When my longs go in i believe i am going to go with a 4.88 HP ruther than a 5.29 that i have now, repair and sell the detroit and most likely fit an air locker as i believe this is the strongest way to build a toyota diff, i am also running a dual case at 223:1

Just something to look into, and i wish i had done it sooner, portals, sure they are about 4000, but i would have close to that in the diffs i have now.



NICK

NICK wrote:last 3 sets of longs i bought were 750AUS a PAIR, shipped to my door, your going to pay close to that for one, if i had to pay around the 1300-1500 mark for them i dont think i would have bothered.

About 2 weeks ago i broke a CV, inner axle, pinnion gear, ring gear and blew my detroit, it was all standard, no strenghtened inners, longs etc. When my longs go in i believe i am going to go with a 4.88 HP ruther than a 5.29 that i have now, repair and sell the detroit and most likely fit an air locker as i believe this is the strongest way to build a toyota diff, i am also running a dual case at 223:1

Just something to look into, and i wish i had done it sooner, portals, sure they are about 4000, but i would have close to that in the diffs i have now.



NICK

My thoughts exactly!

except for the portals, rockwells all the way!! :wink:

just out of interest mick, did you price portals?


NICK

When buying them from Snake Racing why wouldn`t they be warrantied?
You`d be buying them off a proper supplier, not somebody that has bought them off somebody that has bought them off somebody else who off has bought them.

i believe this is the strongest way to build a toyota diff, i am also running a dual case at 223:1

Also when building a toyota diff, machine a solid spacer and surface grind it to the correct pre load, and ensure it has max surface area on the pinion bearing and the pinion. This will help prevent pinion failure, and stop 60 and earlier breaking the lip to contain the rollers off the cup.

Guts wrote:When buying them from Snake Racing why wouldn`t they be warrantied?
You`d be buying them off a proper supplier, not somebody that has bought them off somebody that has bought them off somebody else who off has bought them.

I ws told by snake he won't offer warranty in Australia, unless this has changed

I have a warranty card with my superbirfs and its laminated and hanging on the wall of my bedroom with 3 things highlighted:

any horsepower
any tire size

and the part number

I haven`t spoken to him about it but I find that very wierd

Hey Dave when you talk to him again just get a clarification for us and let us know again.
I have heard the same from a few other guys that were looking at buying them from him and were put off for this reason.

I know C.O.R.E put a liftime warrenty on theirs.

Guts wrote:I haven`t spoken to him about it but I find that very wierd

Does he send out a warranty card with the axles?
do you just return them to him for the replacement?

suprasurf wrote:Of the guys that are running them has anyone busted one yet ??

To answer this question, IF anyone broke one, you would hear about it here, as to my knowledge the biggest saturation of them in the country, is in Brisbane, and OUR GUYS (outerlimits boys) are running them, we are using the biggest tyres, most horsepower and gear reduction on them, so rest assured if one breaks you will hear about it here! BUT despite the flogging we have given them pictured in the two threads below:

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... w+training

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... w+training


This product is unbeleivably good. I would recommend it to anyone who wheels a toyota!

Cheers guys.. looks like the longs are the way to go

After I get the Marlin fitted I will get on the case gettin some.

I'll still run the lockrites until they go bang then slot some 4.8's in with an ARB.

I"m sure I'll post as soon a I bust something :(

Make sure you stock up one inner axles as they are the next to go!!

A hell of a lot cheaper than buying CV's and you are probably like us and have that many inners from all the CV's ya busted!!!

Spoke to Ryan today about this and his words were if somebody breaks one then as long as the have been installed correctly with steering limits reset etc then there wouldn`t be any problems with warrenty.

He also said that there have been over 50 pairs sold todate with not 1 breaken yet.

Guts wrote:Spoke to Ryan today about this and his words were if somebody breaks one then as long as the have been installed correctly with steering limits reset etc then there wouldn`t be any problems with warrenty.

He also said that there have been over 50 pairs sold todate with not 1 breaken yet.

Seeing as he is the aussie dealer does he warranty all longfields then?

This is MY opion and the way I see it.

I`m guessing you are asking about longfields that a few people have bought off somebody else who has bought them off somebody else who bought them in USA and then sent them out here. If so then,
Why should somebody go to the trouble of getting a replacement for something that they didn`t supply. In this case he`d be the one paying the importing charges and freight for something he didn`t make any money on. Not to meation the time in organising the replecement to be sent.
I think it is stupid that you even asked that BJ, talk about wanting your cake and eating it to You see when you buy Longfields off Snake Racing not only do you get your Longfields but you also get the after sales customer service for your $1200 to $1300.

Ryans opion on this might be different to mine but I don`t think so. If you want to find that out, ring him yourself.

I agrea with Guts on this. They were available in Aus with after sales service but if you choose to bring them in to the country yourself than you should never expect someone over here to replace them if broken.

Im not saying you should have bought them in Aus. All i am saying is that if you bring them in then its your job to make sure you can get warrenty on them.


The only thing that worries me is that if i break one(i bought mine from Ryan) will i have to wait for Ryan to send it to Bobby Long in the U.S for warrenty or will he take it on himself to replace it?

RUFF wrote:will i have to wait for Ryan to send it to Bobby Long in the U.S for warrenty or will he take it on himself to replace it?

This bit I don`t know about. But I think he would take it on himself as it should be a simpal thing to decide. Fitted correctly or NOT fitted correctly.

RUFF wrote:I agrea with Guts on this. They were available in Aus with after sales service but if you choose to bring them in to the country yourself than you should never expect someone over here to replace them if broken.

Im not saying you should have bought them in Aus. All i am saying is that if you bring them in then its your job to make sure you can get warrenty on them.


The only thing that worries me is that if i break one(i bought mine from Ryan) will i have to wait for Ryan to send it to Bobby Long in the U.S for warrenty or will he take it on himself to replace it?

yeah, re-reading this i am in total agreeance, also i never bought mine off someone off someone like you put it, mine were purchsed directly from bobby, before his agreement with Ryan. I can guarantee Tony has his fitted correctly, as his 38x16s rub everywhere, he is on almost the minimum steering lock you can get. Not only that, he told me he made sure soon after he installed them, after reading the stories on pirate about guys breaking them. Clearly you dont want to void a warranty on a ~$1200 product, simply to get a few degrees of steering....

Guts wrote:This is MY opion and the way I see it.

I`m guessing you are asking about longfields that a few people have bought off somebody else who has bought them off somebody else who bought them in USA and then sent them out here.

what if somebody bought them direct from bobby? (as in the case of BJ before snake was selling them )


The reason i ask, i bought a Pioneer DVD in singapore and it fawked up about 3 months after i bought it, at the time it was not available in australia but poineer australia had no problem warranting it. They could'nt fix it as parts were not available. They gave me a full refund of the purchase price, i have since bought another pioneer because of the service they gave me.

Even thou it wasnt bought from them it was still one of there products and they held good pride and faith in it none the less.

NICK

Exactly the manufacrtuer or thier agents should warrant the product.
If the item is fitted correctly and properly maintained the it should be warranted by the manufactuers agents.

In the case of longfield CV's Snake should warrant the product if sold by Snake or Bobby direct. Snake is the agent for bobby in aus so they should stand behind the product wether sold by them or purchsed direct in orf rom the USA.

Its called customer service.
Michael.

Good points guys!

Now before I say anything here remember this is MY opion ONLY!!!!!

If it was me I would say NO as they aren`t a huge selling item nor a huge world wide company like pioneer is but if they were then I would say yes. But I would still talk to my supplier of them and see if we could come up with an arrangement.

But like I said before if you want to know 100% about this, then ring Snake Racing.

I was talking to a "friend" of mine today about longfeilds and apparantly after bobby sells what he has in stock there will be no more, due to his on going illness.
He currently has approximately 100 sets left in stock, so this raises another question as is to what bobby himself is going to do about warranty.


NICK

Guts wrote:But like I said before if you want to know 100% about this, then ring Snake Racing.

wouldnt it be easier for Ryan to answer here ruther than have his time wasted feilding 100 phone calls?

I know i would get pissed with the same question over and over.

NICK

NICK wrote:I was talking to a "friend" of mine today about longfeilds and apparantly after bobby sells what he has in stock there will be no more, due to his on going illness.
He currently has approximately 100 sets left in stock, so this raises another question as is to what bobby himself is going to do about warranty.


NICK

There still seems to be a fair amount of talk on PIRATE about his new 38 degree longs and also his heat treated inner axles, i find it strange that someone that makes so many longs and is about the only person that specializes in this would not have someone else trained in the proceedure incase of this happening!!!

NICK wrote:

Guts wrote:But like I said before if you want to know 100% about this, then ring Snake Racing.

wouldnt it be easier for Ryan to answer here ruther than have his time wasted feilding 100 phone calls?

I know i would get pissed with the same question over and over.

NICK

So then YOU ring him and ask him, then post his reply here