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hey all im looking at fitting a three inch lift to my 4.2 desiel gq.it has a two inch body lift.can you get away with castor correction bushes or do you need drop boxes and all the other mods you hear and read about? many thanks in advance..im looking at maybe a suspension stuff kit or EFS kit,any thoughts??

bhundi wrote:hey all im looking at fitting a three inch lift to my 4.2 desiel gq.it has a two inch body lift.can you get away with castor correction bushes or do you need drop boxes and all the other mods you hear and read about? many thanks in advance..im looking at maybe a suspension stuff kit or EFS kit,any thoughts??

Hay mate, I have a mate in a wheel chair that has a Y61 TB48 auto and i put a 3inch lift using EFS extreme shocks off set bushes in the arms, long travel shocks in the rear and i welded cones in so the springs did not fall out. the off set bushes worked well and did not need drop boxes, I hope this helps Cheers Rick.

cool thanks rick.do you have to get it engineered once you have fitted the lift kit?cheers pete

bhundi wrote:cool thanks rick.do you have to get it engineered once you have fitted the lift kit?cheers pete

Mate it's up to you!! if it's mine I would just injoy it

You can only get poly castor correction bushes for the right correction for a 3" lift however poly bushes reduce flex big time and increase road vibration through the vehicle.
We recommend 2 degree rubber castor correction bushes that are perfect for a 2" lift but still fine for a 3" lift.
Drop boxes are ideal for a 4" lift however will drive nicer then castor correction bushes on a 3" lift plus you can fit them without a press. They do cost more and they do drop down from the chassis.
If you have longer then 2" shocks you obviously also need brake hoses, a brake bias bracket and longer sway bar link pins especially on the rear.
For other stuff theat would be effected but you can get away with check out the mates rates kit on my web site, I have some good advice on there.
Cheers
Shane.

We have 3 or 4 mates all currently running 3 inch EFS kits in patrols and cruisers following them seeing positive results with mine. You don't need all the other shit (Drop Boxes) for 95 % of applications. Castor correction is certainly wise however and not that expensive. You may even find you won't need brake lines extended with 3 inch but you need to check this. Is more likely required on a gq than gu in my experience.

Go EFS you won't be disappointed. I have done 100's of thousands of kms in a coupe of trucks and only ever had one shock fail and was swapped under warranty without question.

We have 3 or 4 mates all currently running 3 inch EFS kits in patrols and cruisers following them seeing positive results with mine. You don't need all the other shit (Drop Boxes) for 95 % of applications. Castor correction is certainly wise however and not that expensive. You may even find you won't need brake lines extended with 3 inch but you need to check this. Is more likely required on a gq than gu in my experience.

Go EFS you won't be disappointed. I have done 100's of thousands of kms in a coupe of trucks and only ever had one shock fail and was swapped under warranty without question.

EFS have changed shock manufacturers from Brazil, then Mexico and now China and also recently changed coil manufacturers from Kings to cheap imports. So the only common thing you will have with EFS is the poly bushes they recommend which stops all front flex.

Rubber castor correction bushes cost $180 and then you will likely need to pay someone to fit them for you. While drop boxes you can fit yourself and they provide a better ride quality on and off road so it isn't a clear black and white decision.

Again i am talking from personal and mates experience and not trying to push my own barrow. there will be pro's and cons with most brands. My front flex has successfully navigated me anywhere i have wanted to go (Cape x2 & gulf etc etc etc and never been limiting in my opinion) and i would do more touring type kms on and off road than most in 12 months, hence i said it will be fine in 95% off applications. Should you be attempting regular comps or playing with the big boys every wknd at glasshouse then drop boxes be ideal.

It is best to sell an opposing product on its merits rather than talk down another.

That is my unbiased opinion

I agree, yeah not good to bag out products but I am passionate about this. Unless you have purchased a kit very recently you are commenting on very different products. It is like having OME products and saying Ironman are awesome because you did 100,000km on OME.

For those who are interested in castor correction, don't take just my opinion do a search and you will get the same comments over and over.

p.s. My thoughts on EFS Vs Suspension Stuff
Well I might be a little biased but go Suspension Stuff.
Coils, my recommendation for a daily driver, tourer, weekend warrior or competition racer would be to get a set of Flexy Coils. You can expect a better ride, less body roll for the ride quality and variable spring rate that suits variable loads. Come with a 5 year warranty. You will even get more flex if you choose to run a longer shock to suit the coil.

Shocks- Well, if you don't mind waiting ages you could check out our new mono-tube shocks which are similar in design to Bilstein. I am only selling them with kits at the moment until I catch up with the demand but you would expect a better ride on road, awesome on corrugated roads and awesome off road. I think we have chosen a great shock to base our new shocks off. Bilstein have been voted best shock many times over, I will give them a free plug.

QUOTE:

Seven years in a row – BILSTEIN voted "Best Brand“ by auto motor und sport readers

BILSTEIN – The Magnificent Seven

BILSTEIN is delighted to receive the auto motor und sport "Best Brand" award again this year. Readers of the popular motoring magazine once again rated BILSTEIN as unbeatable in the "Sports Suspensions/Springs/Shock Absorbers" category. The award means that readers have given the high quality products of the suspension and shock absorber expert their vote of confidence for the seventh time in a row. Garnering 65.8 percent of the votes, BILSTEIN was the winner by a clear margin.

The 116,273 readers who voted in this year's rankings once again put BILSTEIN top in the "Sports Suspensions/Springs/Shock Absorbers" category. This means that BILSTEIN has been the unbeaten auto motor und sport winner in the sports suspension, sports shock absorbers and springs section seven times in a row. The high quality offered by the Ennepetal-based specialist makes BILSTEIN the unrivalled champion in the category, putting it way ahead of the competition.

"Being awarded this top accolade seven times in a row by auto motor und sport readers is a great honour," said Thomas Wörmann, Head of Marketing at BILSTEIN. "Coming first again is really motivating for the whole BILSTEIN team. It clearly shows our growing popularity among customers and represents a vote of confidence in the quality and technology of the BILSTEIN products. The response gives us a great incentive to continue perfecting our high-quality shock absorbers and suspensions in the future. We would like to thank all the readers who voted for BILSTEIN."

The results of the poll can be found in the current 07/12 issue of auto motor und sport




Voted "Best Brand" by "Motor Klassik" readers

BILSTEIN – The last word in classic suspensions

Offering top quality and superior technology, BILSTEIN walks away with the "Best Brand" accolade of the leading magazines year after year. The readers of Motor Klassik have ranked the sports suspension, shock absorber and spring expert top in the "Suspensions" category once again this year. Following its victories in the last two polls (2007 and 2009), BILSTEIN once again beat the competition by taking 62.4 percent of all votes.

BILSTEIN was the clear winner in the "Best Brand" poll of the renowned Motor Klassik magazine for classic car enthusiasts. 62.4 percent voted for BILSTEIN in response to the question asking for the top suspension brand. Both in 2007 and 2009, when readers were first asked to rank accessory brands, BILSTEIN was voted "Best Brand", leaving its nearest rivals trailing way behind. Attracting no more than 43 percent of the votes, the other brands were well and truly beaten when it came to earning the respect of the classic car drivers. Over the last few years BILSTEIN has attracted growing numbers of reader votes and has consistently outperformed the competition.

"We are especially pleased about this result because the 'Motor Klassik' readers represent a highly committed and well informed target group," said Thomas Wörmann, Head of Marketing at BILSTEIN. "This addition to our awards confirms that we are on the right track in our efforts to optimise the products in the classic segment and to respond even more precisely to customers' needs."

The results of the poll can be found in the 06/12 issue of Motor Klassik.




Double Victory for BILSTEIN in sport auto Best Brand Awards
BILSTEIN successfully defends its title: This year BILSTEIN is again delighted by the readers' awards of the popular motoring magazine sport auto. For the sixth time in succession BILSTEIN is the number one brand in this important readers' choice. The victor from Ennepetal has swept past the competition in no less than two categories. The readers opted for BILSTEIN perfection in both the shock absorber and in the sports suspension categories.

BILSTEIN was the product of choice for 58.1 percent of the readers in the sports suspension category. An overwhelming 62.5 percent of the readers opted for the defending champion in the shock absorber category. Winning the leading award for the sixth time in a row confirms the growing popularity among customers and represents a vote of confidence in the quality and technology of the BILSTEIN products.

BILSTEIN thanks all readers who voted for the specialist for shock absorbers, suspension systems and springs.

The results of the readers' awards are published in the current 07/12 issue of sport auto.

Is there any Official articles or info on the efs change to confirm it or is just spoken about in the industry?? I am in the sales games my self and is regularly tall stories told and chin ease whispers regularly blur the real story and would be interested to hear.

Bingham wrote:Is there any Official articles or info on the efs change to confirm it or is just spoken about in the industry?? I am in the sales games my self and is regularly tall stories told and chin ease whispers regularly blur the real story and would be interested to hear.

EFS stopped using Kings before Christmas late 2010 but I had been hearing roomers for about 3 years prior to that, that they were going to ditch Kings. Ironically, Kings about 4 or so years ago, changed to a higher tensile steel to become the best Aussie coil manufacturer (They will argue that they were always the best but I had a soft spot for Dobinsons). It was EFS who were marketing this new steel as micro alloy that made me find out about the new steel because in competition use it became painfully obvious it was a better product and eventually I changed over my flexy coils to Kings. I still have awesome respect for Dobinsons and feel very comfortable in selling their products.

It is very tempting to get cheaper coils because I get offers fairly regularly but I wouldn't feel good about myself unless I was changing to a better product.

I am tempted to reveal details about the shocks but I will be a good boy.

thanks for all the advice guys.its great to be able to get all the info to help with making a decision.if EFS has changed to chinese suppply as stated i guess that changes things.once again thanks for the advice.

hey guys i also need new bushes for my gq with a 3'' lift has any of you guys used these? iam not sure of the quality but i dont want to spend a lot



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Suspension-A ... 379wt_1165

No I haven't tried these ones. I am more cautious these days. I have sold not so great rubber radius arm bushes before and had to warranty every single person I sold them to and it is a pain to change them over.
Very cheap though.

they should work genuine rubbers look similar ??