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I'm pretty familiar with Simex tyres, but can anybody tell me how the Simex JT2's or ET compare to the Interco Swamper TSL in areas such as smooth and rough rock, mud, clay, bitumen, drive and lateral traction, wear, compound etc, etc, etc.
BTW Sydney based.

Depends how your truck is set up TSL`s are way better for crawling and wear for sh$t on street

in my opion TSL's are a way better tyre

but on a budget for price, I think the Simex ET's are way out in front.

Slunnie wrote:I'm pretty familiar with Simex tyres, but can anybody tell me how the Simex JT2's or ET compare to the Interco Swamper TSL in areas such as smooth and rough rock, mud, clay, bitumen, drive and lateral traction, wear, compound etc, etc, etc.
BTW Sydney based.

the swampers grip better in everything but they wear bloody fast...funnily enough the SX swampers wear much better

i did about 4000 k's up around cape york on the 38 tsl's and they went from about 80% all round to 50% front 30% rear

Brents 38 sx's did about 6000 kms [he drove back from cairns to bris on them and his went from about 90% to 70% all round

Swampers are superior, but I have found that here in Vic, sometimes JT's (centipedes ET's) seem to hook up a bit better in the mud, but Swampers will stay on the rims @ lower pressure, are much softer in the sidewall, are available in better sizes

Who cares about road use?... but in any case, swampers are quieter.

Thanks for the comments, I think the way I use the Simex I'll stay with them. Unfortunately I'm a bit lazy (but realistic) in changing tyres over. Its a shame they don't make them in the silica compound that they've used in the MTR's.

From personal experience, 35 x 10.5 Centipedes ride heaps better on the road than Q78 swampers. The Simexs seem rounder and truer.

MKPatrolGuy wrote:The Simexs seem rounder and truer.

yeh both my 38 and 36 TSL's have a slight out of round problem...never had a problem with the centipedes except for noise.
[cant sneek home late at night without waking up the whole neighborhood]

A local Bloke just trekked around the top end with some pedes and they looked like they didn`t even wear

Id prefer the pedes.

I'm a swampa lover....If the Simex Et comes out in a taller size I might be tempted next time around.....

I was under the impression that the TSL's would do everything the Simex did, perhaps even better, but TSL's were better on smooth rock which I assume is the result of a different rubber compound.

Ok, I've tried all sorts of TSLs (radial, bias, SX and now IROKs) and have a set of 35 pedes...so I'll chime in with my point of view...(thank you very much )

ETs massacre any NON-DIRECTIONAL TSL in the mud (of similar size) - no question about that. Its not because of company likes, tread depth, or anything else...its simply about tread DESIGN. Directional tread will always be better at clearing out mud. The IROKs prove that a small deviation from the usual TSL tread into a directional one will allow for outstanding performance. They are 6mm shallower than the ETs in the tread, and that is where the ETs still throw mud like a digger does.

Anywhere other than mud, Interco does better...however, we have had 2 x 40m Simex containers sold in Lebanon and none have needed a spare tire in 2 years of wheeling (we're the Simex importers in Lebanon). I have torn 3 TSL tires (2xradial, 1xbias, 0xSX)

Hope this is helpful.

I've never had tsl's b4 but have a set of 36" x 12.5 pedes and love em!!

Sorry to hijack this thread further again but all the people with the pedes and larger rigs (ie not suzis).
Please tell me what sorta wear your getting......... I was speaking with a guy that owns a suzi and his were worn as all hell and he claimed he only done 15000Ks

Anthony

I can't Say yet how fast they wear cause i've only done probably 1000km on mine but, i was talkin to a bloke who had a set of 36's on his 75 series ute and had done 15000km on his and they were'nt quite half worn.

DiscoDino wrote:Ok, I've tried all sorts of TSLs (radial, bias, SX and now IROKs) and have a set of 35 pedes...so I'll chime in with my point of view...(thank you very much )

ETs massacre any NON-DIRECTIONAL TSL in the mud (of similar size) - no question about that. Its not because of company likes, tread depth, or anything else...its simply about tread DESIGN. Directional tread will always be better at clearing out mud. The IROKs prove that a small deviation from the usual TSL tread into a directional one will allow for outstanding performance. They are 6mm shallower than the ETs in the tread, and that is where the ETs still throw mud like a digger does.

Anywhere other than mud, Interco does better...however, we have had 2 x 40m Simex containers sold in Lebanon and none have needed a spare tire in 2 years of wheeling (we're the Simex importers in Lebanon). I have torn 3 TSL tires (2xradial, 1xbias, 0xSX)

Hope this is helpful.

So it's not like you would be biased in any way is it

Peter.

"ETs massacre any NON-DIRECTIONAL TSL in the mud (of similar size) - no question about that. " I'm sure there will be plenty who will question that. There are plenty of places here in vic where in some spots an ET will hook up better, but in others a Swamper will be superior.

Generally, I agree the an ET will through more mud and clean down better, but if you really need to do that, there's always the Bogger. For most recreational noodling around, I vote swamper, as they respond soooo much better to low pressure and can be driven far more elegantly than the stiff shouldered Simex.

Different driving styles suit these tyres more so than other tyres. the swampers tend to work well in situations that require low speed crawling like on rocks up to high tyre revolutions in mud whilst the Simexes appear to perform brilliantly in winch challenge events where high speed and high tyre revolutions are prevalent

I agree.

*controversy* I think that Simex's are a bit of a fad tyre *controversy*

They are an excellent "challenge" or competition tyre because they are nice and stiff so they stand up to the "aggressive" driving that these events demand. They do not seem to respond anywhere near as well as a swamper to driving elegant- and they suck in rock. This is not to say they are a "bad" tyre, just they they were designed for a particular job.

The fact that the agent here in Melbourne heavily sponsored leading comp drivers into them, and that most comp regs specify a 35-36" maximum tyre has gone a long way towards adding to their popularity.

I have been running swampers from 9X32s to Q78's since 1993, and our family got their first set in 1991. Of course, I am hopelessly biased, but I have seen lots of other tyres come and go, and everyone still asks if they are as good as a Swamper.

Like the Look of Krawler Kx's though

One thing still holds true. There is no such thing as an all round tyre.

There are rock tyres, mud tyres, comp tyres etc etc you need to work out what you want them to do and select a tyre for your style of driving and your prefered terrain.

I love my swampers.

At least one advantage over the Peeds is larger sizes

I never liked the Peeds much until I went out with the 80 series, big block and 36 Simexs

mind you i still reckon my Firestone SATs were the best tyre I have had

i was thinking the same thing Q78 vs ET2. ill probably go the 36 simex's as they suit vic driving a bit better.

alot of people are using Q78s.

if i had the money to blow id probably go a set of Maxxis crawler's 37x12.5 (these just scrape in, in the allowable tyre size for winch challenges, etc.) but they are around 200 bucks more a tyre compared to Q78s/ET2s. which will turn alot of people off.

If I were you, my "$-no-object-wish-tire" would be the IROKs as they weill DEFINITELY kick major ass and are 36x13.5 - right size for the comps...

I'll be running these next year IF I make it to the RFC, OBC...etc...(my inlaws are trying to force me into marriage )

It's clear that where you 4wd and what terrain you prefer dictates your tyre choice.
Down here in Vic, mud is generally the go, and Simex perform so damn well in it!
I guess if mud isn't prevalent in other states like it is here, you might prefer to go TSL's because of the varying terrain, i.e. lots of rock!

I must say, the Simex ain't the best on rock, or slow speeds as mentioned, but as there isn't much of it in Vic.
I'm more than happy with the performance of the Simex ET's.

this is what ive come to realise in the past few days. whats the point in setting my truck up for say: rock crawling. when i have mud/hillclimbs around my area. it would be very silly.

Has anyone tries Maxxis Mudzilla's??

At $290 per tyre for 35"x13.5"x15", they've got to be a bargain. But being bias plies, they're obviously weekend tyres only!!

Well anyone know someone who's given 'em a go??


Regards

If it mud you want - BOGGERS :armsup: