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From my understanding, registration is needed in most comps for insurance purposes. I have been competing in entry level and modified class recently and wish to continue in bigger classes, however, I was pulled over by the fuzz and got a list of defects longer than Santas naughty list. I can either bring it to roadworthy state in 14 days (not possible) or DEregister it.

I was considering de registering the vehicle then getting a sneaky roadworthy and re registering it next year, but never drive it on the road. Can this be done or will they want to put it over the pits to clear the defect notice first?

My other interest was club Rego, a lot cheaper and seamingly easier than regular rego. But what hoops do I have to jump through to get the truck regoed with a club? And what driving restrictions will I have? And is this enough rego to enter comps with?

Cheers

Mate I've heard of people getting a letter 6 months after its re registered to go ove the pits.

a comp relying on peoples car rego and insurance is horse shit! the likes of willowglen that needs rego etc, once you put 37s etc you void you insurance and like you have found out a moving defect.

hopefully more comps will go away from the rego requirement and allow cars to be build better and less on road abortions!

Not sure what you mean about clubs rego, don't think such a thing exists, maybe you are confusing clubs insurance with rego.

Club can't have vehicle registration that allows a car to be driven on road it's only vehicle/ person specific.

Comps can either run as no rego req with there own insurance (not many like this)
No rego req with using your 4wd clubs insurance
Or rego required (rta/dpi etc.) and standard vehicle 3rd party property insurance.

It is crap about having comps with road rego because most people bend the rules (which is border line dangerous) with only the minority going through full engineers (whole truck compliant) but having said that having to have rego does help to keep vehicles within a reasonable standard.

But do agree with Evan.

Brad

How can these boys with truggies run in comps then?

I'm more after advice on what to do from here, there's no way I can fix the defects in time/afford to do it.

Will I have to still fulfill the defect notice if I DEregister it and get a roadworthy certificate then re register it?

Cheers
Luke

Look at the comps that need rego that suit that style of rig. Mine hasn't been regoed for a couple of years. Tuff truck is no rego, toperi no rego, most of the qld comp no rego.

What state is your rego in?

It's a qld truck rego in QLD. The main comp I wanna do is tough tracks, but as many as possible will be good. What comps need rego these days?

For Club rego the vehicle needs to be 30 years old or more, be roadworthy, and can only be driven for club events. This will not get you around your problem.

Having been pulled over driving your rig on road is a problem. The easiest way is to just de-register the car, buy another one and use the rego from that in the comps. Illegal? Yes. But so is your current rig.

Im considering doing that micka, I have 2 other parts cars here I can use. But dont tell the fuzz!

Which of the Qld comps need rego? Because im in half a mind to just leave rego out of it and aim for open class events

Thats defiantly something to brag about on a public forum ^^

I've never posted a picture the car showing rego numbers or any detail. As far as anyone on here knows I'm just 'baja burley'

And it's all just ideas ATM anyway. I have no idea what I'm going to do with the truck. But one thing for sure is that the rego is ending VERY soon.

Back to what comps need rego, I'd love to know this as it will greatly affect my decision.

Just do your pockets, the law, other peoples safety, insurance and the other competitors a favour by doing things the right way. Either keep your car in a condition on the road that meets the rego requirements or remove rego altogether and run in comps that don't require it. That will do a few things. Firstly it will make life a lot easier for you. It will mean that your car won't be involved in road accidents and have insurance denied that would not only hurt you financially but would also hurt anyone else that may be involved in the accident.

It will also push organisers of comps to allow vehicles without registration if they lose competitors because of this. If a major accident occurred at any of these events then the organisor would be liable for damages anyway as they have scrutineered the vehicle and passed it to compete in an unlawful condition. They are treading on thin legal ice in this regard.

Micka wrote:The easiest way is to just de-register the car, buy another one and use the rego from that in the comps. Illegal? Yes. But so is your current rig.

When you end up in hospital or put a spectator in hospital those plates will be about as useful as a bit of cardboard with numbers drawn on in crayon.
you will not have insurance.
Requiring rego without checking that all modifications are engineered is dodgy as.

Maybe look into rally car registration. you might be able to make that work legally.

Baja Burley wrote:It's a qld truck rego in QLD. The main comp I wanna do is tough tracks, but as many as possible will be good. What comps need rego these days?

Challenge and outlaw classes don't require rego in tough tracks.

Pretty sure SSS winch is removing a rego requirement as well. Comps at scenic rim might be ok as well.

MikeH wrote:

Micka wrote:The easiest way is to just de-register the car, buy another one and use the rego from that in the comps. Illegal? Yes. But so is your current rig.

When you end up in hospital or put a spectator in hospital those plates will be about as useful as a bit of cardboard with numbers drawn on in crayon.
you will not have insurance.
Requiring rego without checking that all modifications are engineered is dodgy as.

Maybe look into rally car registration. you might be able to make that work legally.

Never mind the oversized tyres, massive lift, I assume no swaybars, and anything else done to his rig to make it more comp worthy which will also render him uninsured in the event of an accident.

this is the sort of info I have been chasing also. events like cliffhanger, according to the CCDA Rules require the vehicle to have rego but there are a number of trucks out competing inthese sorts of events that wouldnt even comply with that rule yet still allowed to race. what about the OBC, Ironman 4x4 challenge, cliffhanger etc? do vehicles require rego to compete in these events or do they not? better get your grey crayon out and colour in the grey shady areas

Rego is required in these events because they use public roads to move from one area to another for competition stages. So while the stages are closed off and the vehicles are covered under event insurance, when they are transporting between stages they need rego and by law should comply with registration and roadworthy standards. Authorities and event organisers choose to turn a blind eye to the legalities of this and if there were to be a major accident then all would be held liable and the competitor would not have a leg to stand on.

It is a very bit decision to do this as if you are found to wantingly drive your vehicle in an unroadworthy condition and you kill someone then you are likely to get charged with manslaughter and if found guilty you'd go to jail.

There are massive ramifications to your choices. I've made the same choices in the past as most have and luckily there have not been any events on this scale. But there could be.

For other events that are held on private land then it is completely up to the event organisers and their insurers as to whether you need registration or not. This puts the responsibility on the event organisers as they are the ones that scrutineer your vehicles to be within the guidelines laid out by the insurers.

The gascoyne dash gets some sort of permit to put offroad buggies on public roads. They don't even HAVE windscreens, indicators, low beam etc.
I think it's still dodgy requiring rego even for transport stages.

Road crossings can be handled without rego, hell, we've even had railway lines closed for a race to cross them!
it's simply a matter of doing thing properly.

That's the stuff I wanted to hear mate. So it's pretty much up to the insurer of the event what level of bush mechanics they will cover in an incident. Then further up to the event manager to scrutineer the trucks to this standard..

So what I'm getting here is the role that registration plays in comps is not safety/insurance related whatsoever! It's a way of keeping the trucks in lower classes tame enough to keep the field competitive.. That's my take.

No your take is not correct. Registration for the events that have it IS for insurance and safety. It keeps the costs of the event down because their level of insurance is much less and they don't have to pay to get public areas closed off. It has nothting to do with keeping vehicles at a similar standard. That is what the vehicle class rules and regs are for.

Vehicle registration requirements for competitions is purely a cost factor to the event organisers.

Rego requirement should be taken off all serious comps! It's only going to take one fuck up to ruin it all!

club rego is really more for cars. thers a bunch of restrictions that are easier to get around in a toughy opposed to a comp truck. having been in various car clubs i also thought about that option for my truck as its about to turn 30 years old. conclusion, save up and buy a trailer!