Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Ok quick question that I though I would be able to locate online in under a minute seems that half a day of trawling just has me baffled.
QLD Transport/Department of main roads and the NCOP are like a maze of mis matched information.

I know I should just call and engineer and ask and I will most likely end up doing that but regardless I wanted to make it easier for people to find the information online.

So for anyone that actually does know what the max allowable engine increase is in QLD and the law/regulations that stipulate this, i'd be keen to hear it.
Not wanting peoples opinions or (mis)understandings. What I want is actual knowledge and facts. So hopefully in the future anyone wanting to know the answer to my seemingly simple question can hopefully find it online in a short amount of time!

WHY...

I want to put an LS motor into my range rover classic, just need the answer to help me decide whether it be a 1 or a 2!

Well a mates brother told me that max increase is ..........

Section 2.13:

Table LA1 does not apply to commercial (ADR Category NA and NB1) or four wheel drive off-road
(ADR category MC) type vehicles such as commercial vans, light trucks, small buses, etc. for
which there are no set recommended limits.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... 011_v3.pdf


Double check with QLD transport though, they may have an overriding rule for this.

Struth wrote:Well a mates brother told me that max increase is ..........

mkpatrol wrote:Section 2.13:

Table LA1 does not apply to commercial (ADR Category NA and NB1) or four wheel drive off-road
(ADR category MC) type vehicles such as commercial vans, light trucks, small buses, etc. for
which there are no set recommended limits.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... 011_v3.pdf


Double check with QLD transport though, they may have an overriding rule for this.

Thanks for the link, have read that and while I read it as saying either it doesn't apply, or pretty much no limit as tare is around 2400kg so 12L!

GRIMACE wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:Section 2.13:

Table LA1 does not apply to commercial (ADR Category NA and NB1) or four wheel drive off-road
(ADR category MC) type vehicles such as commercial vans, light trucks, small buses, etc. for
which there are no set recommended limits.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... 011_v3.pdf


Double check with QLD transport though, they may have an overriding rule for this.

Thanks for the link, have read that and while I read it as saying either it doesn't apply, or pretty much no limit as tare is around 2400kg so 12L!

Yeah, it looks like they only want to restrict passenger vehicles with engine increases.

Why don't you put one of these in it?




Keeps it pommy then...........

GRIMACE wrote: WHY...

I want to put an LS motor into my range rover classic, just need the answer to help me decide whether it be a 1 or a 2!

Or my choice of a 3 as in LS3 6.2L

_

raptorthumper wrote:

GRIMACE wrote: WHY...

I want to put an LS motor into my range rover classic, just need the answer to help me decide whether it be a 1 or a 2!

Or my choice of a 3 as in LS3 6.2L

_

it was on the cards, but unfortunately I have a cost factor that i am trying to stick to!!!

mkpatrol wrote:

GRIMACE wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:Section 2.13:

Table LA1 does not apply to commercial (ADR Category NA and NB1) or four wheel drive off-road
(ADR category MC) type vehicles such as commercial vans, light trucks, small buses, etc. for
which there are no set recommended limits.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... 011_v3.pdf


Double check with QLD transport though, they may have an overriding rule for this.

Thanks for the link, have read that and while I read it as saying either it doesn't apply, or pretty much no limit as tare is around 2400kg so 12L!

Yeah, it looks like they only want to restrict passenger vehicles with engine increases.

Why don't you put one of these in it?




Keeps it pommy then...........

to hard to cool everyone knows that .

Maybe not, you just have to be doing 500km/h......

PM Dave Metcalf,

I think its now 5.8l but I could be wrong,

cheers bru

bru21 wrote:PM Dave Metcalf,

I think its now 5.8l but I could be wrong,

cheers bru

Have herd the same thing but not been able to find out the reasoning or any legislation suggesting its correct!
Might just give him a call, it's been enough days waiting to see if the answer existed and at least now I have the LA1 table to discuss etc etc.

GRIMACE wrote:

bru21 wrote:PM Dave Metcalf,

I think its now 5.8l but I could be wrong,

cheers bru

Have herd the same thing but not been able to find out the reasoning or any legislation suggesting its correct!
Might just give him a call, it's been enough days waiting to see if the answer existed and at least now I have the LA1 table to discuss etc etc.

Just saw this.

It used to be 5.8 before approval was needed and since the 1/11/12 it is now

All vehicles originally weighing less then 800kg:-
Weight x 3 naturally aspirated = max. capacity in cc's
Weight x 2.5 Turbo/Supercharger = max. capacity in cc's

All vehicles originally weighing between 800kg and 1100kg
Weight x 4 naturally aspirated = max. capacity in cc's
Weight x 2.75 Turbo/Supercharger = max. capacity in cc's

All vehicles originally weighing more then 1100kg
Weight x 5 naturally aspirated = max. capacity in cc's
Weight x 3 Turbo/Supercharger = max. capacity in cc's

(Originally Weight = Kerb Weight) as specified by the manufacture, this is based on the heaviest sedan version of the model sold in Australia.

When choosing motor to fit you also must look at the weight also. If the laden mass is over 10% increase on the front or rear wheels further analysis must be carried out, refer to your Engineer or Approved Person who will be signing off on swap.

Hope this is of some help.

Cheers
David

G'day Dave,

am I right by saying my defender 110 ute has a weight of 1800 (might be 1880kg cant remember) and I want to put a supercharged 4.6L (4554) rover engine in it it should be OK?

1800x 3 = 5400

Hally wrote:G'day Dave,

am I right by saying my defender 110 ute has a weight of 1800 (might be 1880kg cant remember) and I want to put a supercharged 4.6L (4554) rover engine in it it should be OK?

1800x 3 = 5400

YES

Hi Dave.

I have a ln106 and iv put a 454 big block in.

Is this allowed

XTREME MMM wrote:

Hally wrote:G'day Dave,

am I right by saying my defender 110 ute has a weight of 1800 (might be 1880kg cant remember) and I want to put a supercharged 4.6L (4554) rover engine in it it should be OK?

1800x 3 = 5400

YES

WHOOHOO FINALLY Hey DEF90 if only we waited we both could have put 5.7L in

thanks Dave.

does it have to be stndard supercharged/turbo? or can it be force induced N/A engine swap

XTREME MMM wrote: It used to be 5.8 before approval was needed and since the 1/11/12 it is now

All vehicles originally weighing less then 800kg:-
Weight x 3 naturally aspirated = max. capacity in cc's
Weight x 2.5 Turbo/Supercharger = max. capacity in cc's

All vehicles originally weighing between 800kg and 1100kg
Weight x 4 naturally aspirated = max. capacity in cc's
Weight x 2.75 Turbo/Supercharger = max. capacity in cc's

All vehicles originally weighing more then 1100kg
Weight x 5 naturally aspirated = max. capacity in cc's
Weight x 3 Turbo/Supercharger = max. capacity in cc's

(Originally Weight = Kerb Weight) as specified by the manufacture, this is based on the heaviest sedan version of the model sold in Australia.

When choosing motor to fit you also must look at the weight also. If the laden mass is over 10% increase on the front or rear wheels further analysis must be carried out, refer to your Engineer or Approved Person who will be signing off on swap.

Hope this is of some help.

Cheers
David

Thank you a bucket load for clarifying the above for us Dave.
Your input is much appreciated.

chunderlicious wrote: does it have to be stndard supercharged/turbo? or can it be force induced N/A engine swap

My understanding is it can be forced induced N/A engine swap so long as it fits within the guidelines above.


Cheers
Grimace

What happened to the s/c 4.6 grimace? Not enough power?

GRIMACE wrote:

XTREME MMM wrote: It used to be 5.8 before approval was needed and since the 1/11/12 it is now

All vehicles originally weighing less then 800kg:-
Weight x 3 naturally aspirated = max. capacity in cc's
Weight x 2.5 Turbo/Supercharger = max. capacity in cc's

All vehicles originally weighing between 800kg and 1100kg
Weight x 4 naturally aspirated = max. capacity in cc's
Weight x 2.75 Turbo/Supercharger = max. capacity in cc's

All vehicles originally weighing more then 1100kg
Weight x 5 naturally aspirated = max. capacity in cc's
Weight x 3 Turbo/Supercharger = max. capacity in cc's

(Originally Weight = Kerb Weight) as specified by the manufacture, this is based on the heaviest sedan version of the model sold in Australia.

When choosing motor to fit you also must look at the weight also. If the laden mass is over 10% increase on the front or rear wheels further analysis must be carried out, refer to your Engineer or Approved Person who will be signing off on swap.

Hope this is of some help.

Cheers
David

Thank you a bucket load for clarifying the above for us Dave.
Your input is much appreciated.

chunderlicious wrote: does it have to be stndard supercharged/turbo? or can it be force induced N/A engine swap

My understanding is it can be forced induced N/A engine swap so long as it fits within the guidelines above.


Cheers
Grimace

That is correct Grimace, just use the guidelines, if any doubt read again and ask the question.

Cheers
David

1990 RRC
kerb weight (googled) 1990kg (coincidence)

= 9.95L

6<9.95 so good to go.


Dave, if you are still on here, I may be in touch shortly

He still visits here but Facebook is the easiest way to reach him. I'll send you a friend suggestion.