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Evening Outers, I am chasing some direction here after trying the search function and a solid hour on google with very minimal Co-operation.

Here is the dilemma.

My old boy is over his D22 Navara. Sure it is much cheaper to run than the FZJ105 but it is WAY smaller, and very very truck like in comparison. Great work ute, but that's it. We are also selling the Cruiser because 25L/100 on petty and 32l/100 on gas is ridiculous by anybody's standards.

Here's the thing. We like the Cruiser for it's size. It's a big car, particularly on the inside. An adult can sit in the passenger seat and I've still got space between my knees and the back of the seat when Im in the second row. Buying a turbo diesel Cruiser is out of our price range. A standard 1HZ cruiser is an option but I think ultimately we will always be chasing power. Petrol is not an option.

After speaking to his mechanic last week, the bloke mentioned to my old man about a company over is WA who does Cummins diesel conversions. Put car on train, send over, cost in the 12-14 grand range, recieve car back and quote "light up 4 desert duelers into third gear with your eyes closed".

Has anyone heard of such a company here in OZ? If such a fandangled rumour were true, then how about picking up either an 80 or 105 series with a shagged motor and or gearbox, send over, and the result being one seriously powerful yet still reasonably economical vehicle?

Or am I fishing in a bucket here?

Cheers Outers
Chook

You could sell said cars and buy a td for bout the same coin. Your chasing stars.

aah but the duramax will still be in front for the next 10 years..
power and economy.
just take it to the next vehicle.

pretty good wraps.
10 to 12ltrs highway.
be the engine conversion id buy, and keep swapping it to the next vehicle if money wasnt a problem. 1000nm!! torque come on lotto.
killalux is doing them..

if you bite your time, youll find a vehicle suitable, at a reasonable price but the search might be long and hard.. car sales, or car point, surely the same site?

Mate a cummins 6BT would be unreal, be prepared to toughen up the front diff. Also would need to look at things like brakes and front suspension due to the weight of the beast, also what gearbox to use. I have been dreaming about putting a cummins in my patrol for ages.

Don't believe all the good news about duramax conversions...
I know of a GU with constant issues, at least two blown rear diffs, fried Allison auto, cooked loom, overheating issues....
It seemed simple at the time.
A bit of a money pit from all accounts, a 6l chev would have been easier and simpler and left lots of coin for the extra fuel it would drink.

But back OT, if you can fit a big heavy 6bt, it would be a good thing I guess power and economy wise etc

are you sure it was a Cummins that was the engine swap , he may have been thinking of Brunswick Diesels who do the Chev http://www.brunswickdiesels.com.au/home.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

madmacca wrote:are you sure it was a Cummins that was the engine swap , he may have been thinking of Brunswick Diesels who do the Chev http://www.brunswickdiesels.com.au/home.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Which would have been a cool conversion in the early 90's.

stilivn wrote:You could sell said cars and buy a td for bout the same coin. Your chasing stars.

Coin from sale of Cruiser already has it's priorities. So we'll push that aside. Basically leaving coin from the Navara to play with etc.

CRUZAAMAD wrote:aah but the duramax will still be in front for the next 10 years..
power and economy.
just take it to the next vehicle.

pretty good wraps.
10 to 12ltrs highway.
be the engine conversion id buy, and keep swapping it to the next vehicle if money wasnt a problem. 1000nm!! torque come on lotto.
killalux is doing them..

if you bite your time, youll find a vehicle suitable, at a reasonable price but the search might be long and hard.. car sales, or car point, surely the same site?

If money wasn't much of an option then it would be duramax. However after reading of a few places over in NSW who do the drive in drive out conversion, the owners aren't getting much change out of $35k

An ls2 or ls3 would definately be wicked fun, but we are dead-set on diesel power this time. We aren't even considering the chev 6.5 swaps. AFter all the problems we keep hearing about the motors and the fact that a 6.5litre motor isn't making more than 130kw and 430nm for $20+k, they are not even close to worth it.

Like I said, just fishing for any extra info. If it seems that something like this is do-able then we will go from there. Already checked out the trading post, ebay and carsales and there are a few cheap 80 series cruisers going around.

Hmm, the mindboggles

Cheers guys
Chook

Why not a 105 cruiser with aftermarket turbo and fuel pump work?

A big heavy engine will play havoc on brakes, suspension etc

I've herd more horror stories about Brunswick diesel than good ones.
If you scab out on a conversion it'll keep biting your wallet later!

For reluctant sale is my 1995 80 Series multi valve manual wagon.
This vehicle is in excellent condition inside and out. It's fitted with an aluminium bull bar, IPF driving lights, Hayman Reece tow bar, side steps, 285/75/16 A/T tyres, Part time 4wd kit, Safari snorkel, K&N air filter, Redarc dual battery system, UHF radio in overhead console, alarm system, cruise control, OME shocks 30mm spring spaces, 800w inverter. 394,000km, a new injector pump at 380,000km by Lismore Diesel Services, all new brakes including master cylinder (excluding front discs) Dark green in colour, the clear coat on the roof is going but the rest is good, body is straight. This vehicle was book serviced to 240,000km then home serviced and maintained by a Toyota trained mechanic and has always had the best oil and filter every 5000km. 12months NSW Rego. I am only selling due to back surgery and ongoing problems with using the clutch, I now need an auto. This vehicle has been driven in National Parks and State Forests but has never been used in extreme driving mostly gravel roads. Price is $24,900
Phone Col on 0414 965 623


For Sale

Toyota HZJ 105 Landcruiser (Oct 2003)

Second owner from 40,000km - Now 96,000kms

Fully rebuilt 1HZ/1HDT Factory turbo diesel engine (fitted at 70,000kms) with Garret Turbo and Safari front mount Intercooler, 55mm Alloy radiator & 3 inch exhaust

Fully dyno tuned by Roo Systems (formerly AMMS in Brisbane) with 160rwhp at 16psi Boost with only 480C Post turbo EGT. 12-14lts/100kms

Religiously served every 5000km

3 inch lift – Dobinson Shocks, Lovells Coils and 2 degree castor correction

40% tread Cooper STT mud terrains - 285/75 R16 x 5 on GXL alloy rims
(+ 1 new second spare on GXL steel rim)

TJM Steel winch compatible bar, ARB Steel side steps & Kaymar rear tyre carrier

Other accesories:

Dual batteries
Snorkel
Fog lights
Roller draws
Cargo Barrier
Rhino full length Roof Rack
Black Duck Canvas seat covers
Front ARB air locker and air compressor
Tectyle rust protection
Electric brake controller
DBA Slotted front brake rotors
Cruise Control
Tinted Windows
Alpine Stereo
Dual Airbags, Air conditioning, Power Steering, Metallic paint, Tow bar


Price $33,500

Contact Fraser Motors Eden NSW - 02 64 961 529

Fraser Motors is our family owned dealership so they are selling it for me but also feel free to contact me by PM or on 0434 184 352

Also advertised on Evil bay

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with a reserve price





if it was me id be going the 100 any day of the week.
under a 100k, the 100series is better option.

the 80series and most will be the same very high k's.
and still want solid money!!
where at those km's gearbox and some engine work will need money thrown at them.

$24k and almost 400,000kms wow! Ill refrain my thoughts!

100 has higher tow rating too!
My mate bought a diesel 105 over 5 yrs ago with under 200,000kms for $18500 have to look around!

That's right, twin locked, lifted and 35's!

Toyota Landcruiser 80 Series Sahara HDJ80
Twin lockers, 35’s, lifted, go anywhere tourer
$19,990 ono
Ph 0413316593


1 by jsttry, on Flickr

1HD-T turbo diesel rebuilt in May 2006 with receipts
337,000km on the vehicle, only approx 80,000 since rebuild
4spd auto
All the factory perks including dual electric lockers, ice box, dual climate control, sunroof, electric windows, etc.

Plus
35" Maxxis Trepador Radials
XROX competition winch bar
3" Tough Dog suspension lift including adjustable panhards
Snorkel
HID spotlights
Part time 4wd conversion with Aisin hubs
Dual batteries with Redarc controller
Towbar
Rear wheel carrier
Reverse light
Pyro gauge and boost gauge
Kenwood CD player
GME UHF radio
Window tint

i know its not for sale but had to put it here.

if you want photos i can arrange that also

in darwin NT

evanstaniland wrote:$24k and almost 400,000kms wow! Ill refrain my thoughts!

100 has higher tow rating too!
My mate bought a diesel 105 over 5 yrs ago with under 200,000kms for $18500 have to look around!

later model 80's has the 3500kg tow rating as well.

i do think his price is about 5grand too high. thats my thoughts.

100 series looks the goods on comparison.

another guy had his 80 with very high 300k's but with a 1hd fte 100 series diesel engine and he wanted 25.. no mention of fitting of the h series box..
but at those k's everything will need replacing at least or major servicing.... meaning alot of coin.
and pretty basic kit out.. which is more money.. for a 15plus year old car.

Cheers for all the pointers and what not everybody!

Like I said, thought I would toss the idea around and see what the general consensus it.

Cheers Outers
Chook

chook, have a look on Ih8mud - diesel and 24v volt tech forum

there has definitely been 6cyl cummins shoe horned into HJ80s by the yanks, but from the reading Ive done, its a major, major head fuck. Too much bulk, too much weight and from memory, the fire wall needs chopping about to fit it.

You'll never recoup the cost of any conversion on fuel savings alone IMO, there would have to be some other good reasons to even consider it.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tech-24-volts-systems/

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You'd be mad, adjust your budget and buy a factory TD.

Or take the gas off and sell the setup and spend the money on a stand alone engine management system and some dyno tuning with a performance car guy not a shop that sells piigyback rubbish.

SCANAS wrote:You'd be mad, adjust your budget and buy a factory TD......

or save even more.......


get a hiclone

ymmv

$14k buys a LOT of fuel!

CRUZAAMAD wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:$24k and almost 400,000kms wow! Ill refrain my thoughts!

100 has higher tow rating too!
My mate bought a diesel 105 over 5 yrs ago with under 200,000kms for $18500 have to look around!

later model 80's has the 3500kg tow rating as well.

i do think his price is about 5grand too high. thats my thoughts.

100 series looks the goods on comparison.

another guy had his 80 with very high 300k's but with a 1hd fte 100 series diesel engine and he wanted 25.. no mention of fitting of the h series box..
but at those k's everything will need replacing at least or major servicing.... meaning alot of coin.
and pretty basic kit out.. which is more money.. for a 15plus year old car.

You can get a hdj100's with about 250'000k's for 30k now, with 150'000 theyre about $35k.

Shadow wrote:
You can get a hdj100's with about 250'000k's for 30k now, with 150'000 theyre about $35k.

where? i've been looking about and the 30k price point seems to be about right for 300k plus or 400k with a little bit of fruit

great engine,no bigger in dimensions to the toyota,power wise no comparision
but fk they are heavier!
got any links to share for conversion bits?

shortyq wrote:great engine,no bigger in dimensions to the toyota,power wise no comparision
but fk they are heavier!
got any links to share for conversion bits?

No bigger in dimensions?? Are you drunk!!!

I measured up one of our plant genset 6bt's and they're bigger in all dimensions. Not by much in some directions but the height is way different for a start.

There's a reason they're recessed into the firewall of dodge rams

Shadow wrote:

You can get a hdj100's with about 250'000k's for 30k now, with 150'000 theyre about $35k.


where? i've been looking about and the 30k price point seems to be about right for 300k plus or 400k with a little bit of fruit

Really?

GUtripper wrote:Don't believe all the good news about duramax conversions...
I know of a GU with constant issues, at least two blown rear diffs, fried Allison auto, cooked loom, overheating issues....
It seemed simple at the time.
A bit of a money pit from all accounts, a 6l chev would have been easier and simpler and left lots of coin for the extra fuel it would drink.

But back OT, if you can fit a big heavy 6bt, it would be a good thing I guess power and economy wise etc

You cant really blame the installer for the blown rear diffs. Thats more down to the driver leaning on the loud pedal alot.
The rest sound like warranty issues.

Hey, In short yes the cummins 6BT is do-able, Will be a great conversion.

check us out on facebook : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Killa-Ku ... 1769825285" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We are currently doing a GU patrol cummins 6BT for R&D of adapter kits. 105 will come shortly after. We already have a plate in development to mate the 6bt to the factory Nissan auto, and the landcruiser auto.

As far as I am aware the company in WA is no longer doing them, We are based in QLD and are capable of doing the conversion for you.

Weight is an issues and will need good front coils and shocks, may want to brace the front diff if your going to abuse it.

can call me to discuss if you want, 0404811498

Steve

Have you considered the Cummins 2.8 ISF that comes in the Foton? I was thinking about one of these for a 40/80 hybrid.

This mob do conversions on 79 series in Sth Africa, might be able to help.

http://www.helberconversions.co.za/pg/6 ... placements" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;