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lookin a getin the missus a gu a lot of people are tellin me not to get the 3.0l but cant realy tell me why sorta just that theey have herd bad things about them

could someone with a bit of knowledge give me a bit of an idea good or bad
cause they are cheap and was hinkin it may be for a reason

They go bang. Costs lots of $$$$$$ to fix. Small motor in a big truck=stressed motor, get the mighty TD42 and it will be reliable as.

The early ones had issues. 2000 - 2002.
From 2003 onwards they fixed most of the issues.
These days with NADS we don't tend to worry about grenading.

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what is your old girl going to do with this car? if she is only going to take the kids to school and park on the grass at cricket on saturday morning then it will be fine. as said before, the early ones had problems, but nissan has seemed to have fixed them (though i do still hear the odd story of a newer one going bang). if its for heavier towing/ hard offroad road work with lift, mods, etc, then i'd probably look at a td42t or even a tb48 if you can handle the fuel bill!!!!

lepa

A friends 3.0 pooped its dual mass flyheel/clutch two weeks ago.
She was very impressed with the repair bill. Had the car back one week.
She (as at Wednesday) is now even more impressed that it appears to have shat the standard head/piston/turbo.

They are a POS that should have never been released with that motor.

They are great if you want a cheap GU for an engine conversion

Skegbudley wrote:The early ones had issues. 2000 - 2002.
From 2003 onwards they fixed most of the issues.
These days with NADS we don't tend to worry about grenading.


some nissan owners never give up..

For more info go to http://www.patrol4x4.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

turbo gu wrote:They are great if you want a cheap GU for an engine conversion

GUtripper wrote:A friends 3.0 pooped its dual mass flyheel/clutch two weeks ago.
She was very impressed with the repair bill. Had the car back one week.
She (as at Wednesday) is now even more impressed that it appears to have shat the standard head/piston/turbo.

They are a POS that should have never been released with that motor.

buy the peace of crap, cheap and put a real engine in 1HD FTE.
also a mate was heading down the highway, had the family in tow, and there goes the wheel axle assembly at a 110, 120km/h... left rear;
this guy swears by his patrol, but that alone made him sell the vehicle..... its a design fault..
another family died from this very accident recently.

another family was towing a horse float on the F3 newcastle area, 100 series was towing it, they all survived !! it rolled..

GUtripper wrote:A friends 3.0 pooped its dual mass flyheel/clutch two weeks ago.
She was very impressed with the repair bill. Had the car back one week.
She (as at Wednesday) is now even more impressed that it appears to have shat the standard head/piston/turbo.

They are a POS that should have never been released with that motor.

So what was it?
A head, a piston, a turbo or just a random guess?


As for the clutch. When has this only been a ZD30 powered issue?

Skegbudley wrote:

GUtripper wrote:A friends 3.0 pooped its dual mass flyheel/clutch two weeks ago.
She was very impressed with the repair bill. Had the car back one week.
She (as at Wednesday) is now even more impressed that it appears to have shat the standard head/piston/turbo.

They are a POS that should have never been released with that motor.

So what was it?
A head, a piston, a turbo or just a random guess?


As for the clutch. When has this only been a ZD30 powered issue?

Seeing as other patrols dont have shite dual mass flywheels its a 3.0 issue.

I dunno. She said it lost power, barely runs, sounds terrible, and lots of white smoke.
Id say its any one of the three. Or all.

CRUZAAMAD wrote:

Skegbudley wrote:The early ones had issues. 2000 - 2002.
From 2003 onwards they fixed most of the issues.
These days with NADS we don't tend to worry about grenading.


some nissan owners never give up..

For more info go to http://www.patrol4x4.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

turbo gu wrote:They are great if you want a cheap GU for an engine conversion

GUtripper wrote:A friends 3.0 pooped its dual mass flyheel/clutch two weeks ago.
She was very impressed with the repair bill. Had the car back one week.
She (as at Wednesday) is now even more impressed that it appears to have shat the standard head/piston/turbo.

They are a POS that should have never been released with that motor.

buy the peace of crap, cheap and put a real engine in 1HD FTE.
also a mate was heading down the highway, had the family in tow, and there goes the wheel axle assembly at a 110, 120km/h... left rear;
this guy swears by his patrol, but that alone made him sell the vehicle..... its a design fault..
another family died from this very accident recently.

another family was towing a horse float on the F3 newcastle area, 100 series was towing it, they all survived !! it rolled..

The guy asked for Patrol advice. Not Toyota dribble.
Breaking axles is a Toyota thing not a Patrol.
I don't ever recall anyone having a Patrol axle and wheel part company with their vehicle. Are you sure that it was not just the wheel that came off? (a well known and documented fault caused by people not doing up the wheel nuts correctly)

As for the horse float. Generaly caused by bad weight distrubution and driver error. Nothing to do with ZD30s either.h

sounds like they are pieces of sh%& MIGHT SPEND A BIT EXTRA ON ON A 4.2 CHEERS GUYS

Good idea ^^^

people will Bag anything on here mate..
yeah they had issues early on but pretty good by 03/04 ish. i had an early one and actually never had an issue. I usto tow my 16ft boat through the dunes in WA working it pretty hard and also do heaps of bush work. I ran 35s and all the crap everyday. Bought it with 110k sold it with 270k. EGT & BOOST gauges with 5000k services are gold in these things!!!

We had GUs for work cars from about 2005 onwards. Granted, we only had them until 100K on the clock, but in that time we didnt have any issues on any of the 4 vehicles apart from worn front shock and tie rod bushes. And they were hard on tyres. Fuel economy was pretty hows it going, but you'll find that with the 4.2 as well. And we carried a roof rack with the aerodynamics of a parachute.

Coza1 wrote:people will Bag anything on here mate..
yeah they had issues early on but pretty good by 03/04 ish. i had an early one and actually never had an issue. I usto tow my 16ft boat through the dunes in WA working it pretty hard and also do heaps of bush work. I ran 35s and all the crap everyday. Bought it with 110k sold it with 270k. EGT & BOOST gauges with 5000k services are gold in these things!!!

Coza1 wrote:people will Bag anything on here mate..
yeah they had issues early on but pretty good by 03/04 ish. i had an early one and actually never had an issue. I usto tow my 16ft boat through the dunes in WA working it pretty hard and also do heaps of bush work. I ran 35s and all the crap everyday. Bought it with 110k sold it with 270k. EGT & BOOST gauges with 5000k services are gold in these things!!!

At the risk of sounding like Bogged and upsetting Skeg who will defend them to the death.....

I know people who own 3.0's and regularly beat the hell out of them, run 35's, yada yada.

But I know 3 people personally who have had their early 3.0's implode.
I also have 2 clients who retired, went on the big trip to have the vehicle fail during their travels.
Vince GU05 on the Pootrol forum had his 2005 3.0 shit itself on a desert trip I was on.
I know a parts manager at a large Melb Nissan dealer who regularly sells new/replacement/rebuild kits and components for post 04/05 3.0 motors. He says more than 10 per year. Thats just one dealership.

Sure, plenty of them last the distance. Plenty dont.
My words.

Your money.

Buy one and i will Take it when it goes bang. put my 4.2 TD in it with 55thousand on the clock.

i have a 2004 gu they still go bang and have heard a 2012 going bang they say if you get over 150000 you've done well if i had the time over again i wouldn't touch the heap coming home from a comp in mudgee the intercooler split.......shit box

At the risk of sounding like Bogged and upsetting Skeg who will defend them to the death.....
even from the grave skeg would defend them if he was drowning... it would be his last breathe..

bearbear wrote:i have a 2004 gu they still go bang and have heard a 2012 going bang they say if you get over 150000 you've done well if i had the time over again i wouldn't touch the heap coming home from a comp in mudgee the intercooler split.......shit box

more fodder for the 3ltr debate.. boo yaa

and yes people are putting the 1HDFTE in the pootrol, jason at total care have done quite a few..
best of both worlds, mind you some wont believe it.. fark the 3ltr.. just like someones sig line.

One of my business partners picked up a series 3 3.0 last year.
The dual mass flywheel died earlier this year, and the inter cooler also split, and has been replaced with a cross country unit.
Neither of these issues occur on any other patrol model, obviously.

CRUZAAMAD wrote:At the risk of sounding like Bogged and upsetting Skeg who will defend them to the death.....
even from the grave skeg would defend them if he was drowning... it would be his last breathe..

bearbear wrote:i have a 2004 gu they still go bang and have heard a 2012 going bang they say if you get over 150000 you've done well if i had the time over again i wouldn't touch the heap coming home from a comp in mudgee the intercooler split.......shit box

more fodder for the 3ltr debate.. boo yaa

and yes people are putting the 1HDFTE in the pootrol, jason at total care have done quite a few..
best of both worlds, mind you some wont believe it.. fark the 3ltr.. just like someones sig line.

Bloody oath I will.
I'm also happy to help anyone that wants to install NADS.

Mines at 230,000 now and still going strong. I got rid of the POS intercooler years ago and replaced it with one of the first CC intercoolers.

actualy a friend thought he blew up his free litre in his navara..
flogged it off to one of the guys he gets lots of work off.
for like 4g.. dualcab str.. with 300, but...........
on its second motor
gutless peace of garbage..
they could not find the issue, with the later model engine either, same deal gutless.

his mechanic said ooh mate shes stuffed
my mate gets his own mechanic to look at it..
it was a stuffed water pump.
not a baad win for 4g.. but give it time.
it doesnt go hard like they normaly do...

damn the fins on the impellor in the water pump are friggin THIN

i was at a wrecker chasing up a engine back home.
112k on the clock and they were asking 3850, once the engine tested fine..
ebay are going for 5500 my mate said..
damn cheap.
car was well kitted out, soo looked after..

Skegbudley wrote:

CRUZAAMAD wrote:At the risk of sounding like Bogged and upsetting Skeg who will defend them to the death.....
even from the grave skeg would defend them if he was drowning... it would be his last breathe..

bearbear wrote:i have a 2004 gu they still go bang and have heard a 2012 going bang they say if you get over 150000 you've done well if i had the time over again i wouldn't touch the heap coming home from a comp in mudgee the intercooler split.......shit box

more fodder for the 3ltr debate.. boo yaa

and yes people are putting the 1HDFTE in the pootrol, jason at total care have done quite a few..
best of both worlds, mind you some wont believe it.. fark the 3ltr.. just like someones sig line.

Bloody oath I will.
I'm also happy to help anyone that wants to install NADS.

Mines at 230,000 now and still going strong. I got rid of the POS intercooler years ago and replaced it with one of the first CC intercoolers.

Ithink you mean its at 230 000 km ........... and still going
I have had 3 auto wagons ...They are shite end of story but fit a budget.... providing they dont blow Just a refresher that my 06 went bang bucket of puss... Auto blew on the previous one. It was only rebuilt out of 'Goodwill' bar labour because im a persistant and noisy basted when i need to be. My standard statement ...... "They fine... if they under warranty." Skeg i respect your passion..... just sadly your the captain of a sinking ship but atleast your standing firm unlike the captain of the costa concordia

If budget is the limting factor a 1hz 100 series would be the go just dont be in hurry to get about

yep

my 2011 CRD blew up, melted no. 4 piston, shrapnel went through the turbo, fingered. they are shit, dont ever buy one.

BIGDAVET86 wrote:yep

my 2011 CRD blew up, melted no. 4 piston, shrapnel went through the turbo, fingered. they are shit, dont ever buy one.

I thought the CRDs were OK.

Obviously not........

I'll stick with my old 4.2 I think....

Skegbudley wrote:

CRUZAAMAD wrote:

Skegbudley wrote:The early ones had issues. 2000 - 2002.
From 2003 onwards they fixed most of the issues.
These days with NADS we don't tend to worry about grenading.


some nissan owners never give up..

For more info go to http://www.patrol4x4.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

turbo gu wrote:They are great if you want a cheap GU for an engine conversion

GUtripper wrote:A friends 3.0 pooped its dual mass flyheel/clutch two weeks ago.
She was very impressed with the repair bill. Had the car back one week.
She (as at Wednesday) is now even more impressed that it appears to have shat the standard head/piston/turbo.

They are a POS that should have never been released with that motor.

buy the peace of crap, cheap and put a real engine in 1HD FTE.
also a mate was heading down the highway, had the family in tow, and there goes the wheel axle assembly at a 110, 120km/h... left rear;
this guy swears by his patrol, but that alone made him sell the vehicle.....its a design fault..
another family died from this very accident recently.

another family was towing a horse float on the F3 newcastle area, 100 series was towing it, they all survived !! it rolled..

The guy asked for Patrol advice. Not Toyota dribble.
Breaking axles is a Toyota thing not a Patrol.
I don't ever recall anyone having a Patrol axle and wheel part company with their vehicle. Are you sure that it was not just the wheel that came off? (a well known and documented fault caused by people not doing up the wheel nuts correctly)

As for the horse float. Generaly caused by bad weight distrubution and driver error. Nothing to do with ZD30s either.h

The wheel issue is VERY VERY well known. This happened with a small trailer at 100kmh

wheels fall off toyotas aswell... ive had it on a new hilux at work and a 79 series.... someone had overtensioned and stripped the threads both time and with alloy wheels 1 loose can be all it takes to vibrate and flex to loosen all the others till they snap or fall off..

its $50 to buy a torque wrench from supashit or ripco and then you can check them when you wash the car or check the oil once a week/fortnight/month whenever you do any sort of maintenance? I know i have a front left nut that is stripped as it tightens EVERY time i check the nuts (once a fortnight while checking oil, filling wipers etc.) so i can monitor this problem till i have time to get a new stud.

BIGDAVET86 wrote:yep

my 2011 CRD blew up, melted no. 4 piston, shrapnel went through the turbo, fingered. they are shit, dont ever buy one.

What was the cause of failure?

VooDoo wrote:

Skegbudley wrote:

CRUZAAMAD wrote:

Skegbudley wrote:The early ones had issues. 2000 - 2002.
From 2003 onwards they fixed most of the issues.
These days with NADS we don't tend to worry about grenading.


some nissan owners never give up..

For more info go to http://www.patrol4x4.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

turbo gu wrote:They are great if you want a cheap GU for an engine conversion

GUtripper wrote:A friends 3.0 pooped its dual mass flyheel/clutch two weeks ago.
She was very impressed with the repair bill. Had the car back one week.
She (as at Wednesday) is now even more impressed that it appears to have shat the standard head/piston/turbo.

They are a POS that should have never been released with that motor.

buy the peace of crap, cheap and put a real engine in 1HD FTE.
also a mate was heading down the highway, had the family in tow, and there goes the wheel axle assembly at a 110, 120km/h... left rear;
this guy swears by his patrol, but that alone made him sell the vehicle.....its a design fault..
another family died from this very accident recently.

another family was towing a horse float on the F3 newcastle area, 100 series was towing it, they all survived !! it rolled..

The guy asked for Patrol advice. Not Toyota dribble.
Breaking axles is a Toyota thing not a Patrol.
I don't ever recall anyone having a Patrol axle and wheel part company with their vehicle. Are you sure that it was not just the wheel that came off? (a well known and documented fault caused by people not doing up the wheel nuts correctly)

As for the horse float. Generaly caused by bad weight distrubution and driver error. Nothing to do with ZD30s either.h

The wheel issue is VERY VERY well known. This happened with a small trailer at 100kmh

The wheel issue is caused by people not doing up their wheel nuts correctly.

Skegbudley wrote:

BIGDAVET86 wrote:yep

my 2011 CRD blew up, melted no. 4 piston, shrapnel went through the turbo, fingered. they are shit, dont ever buy one.

What was the cause of failure?

Nissan said it was bad fuel, but all my fuel comes strait from the service truck and no other vehicles or machines went down. We were having a pretty high fuel turnover at the time too, like 50,000L a week, so i doubt it was fuel. I believe it to be the ZD30 heavy breathing leading to a dirty MAF, in turn leading to to much fuel and boost, which in turn leads to my wallet bleeding and me now driviung a BT50, which kicks the shit out of the Nissan in every way.

All in all its a shitty engine. It has no place dragging 5T+ around. As a work ute, the only thing a patrol has going for it....... cheaper than a cruiser

Cheers
Dave