Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Hi I currently have a 60 desiel 5speed and am looking at a newish 4b, was looking at either a 94+ disco or a 88+ rangie has to be auto as wife can't drive man, the question is i've heard that the 10 spline axles are weak and later model rangies have that crap slipping centre diff (no lock) Can it be converted to a locking type (lt230 perhaps) and what models have the tuffer diffs. And one more thing approx fuel consumption on 3.9 v8's.

da60 wrote:Hi I currently have a 60 desiel 5speed and am looking at a newish 4b, was looking at either a 94+ disco or a 88+ rangie has to be auto as wife can't drive man, the question is i've heard that the 10 spline axles are weak and later model rangies have that crap slipping centre diff (no lock) Can it be converted to a locking type (lt230 perhaps) and what models have the tuffer diffs. And one more thing approx fuel consumption on 3.9 v8's.

It all depends,

Firsly depends on what tyres are you going to be running on your disco/rangie normally 245/75/16s are a fairly good sized tyre for these rigs, a 10 spline will last a fair while in an open centre even if you had an arb an a good set of 10 splines they will last a while, as long as you don't bounce it up things. PM aquarangie for details he will tell you all about lockers and 10 splines - I run Haultech's traction control and 245/75/16s MTRs and haven't broken a set of axels yet but then I don't wheel it
bouncing over things

The 94 disco v8 should get 20/L per 100 around town and 15-16 on the highway if anyone tells you different they are bullsh*ting you.

Tom

sorry to jump in with another question...

my friend is looking for a tow truck. he's considering the 300tdi disco. what are the pros and cons? especially up against a 80 series or gq. he's mainly going to use it for commuting, towing, mild wheeling and touring.

N*A*M wrote:sorry to jump in with another question...

my friend is looking for a tow truck. he's considering the 300tdi disco. what are the pros and cons? especially up against a 80 series or gq. he's mainly going to use it for commuting, towing, mild wheeling and touring.

From my experience with LR diesels, because they are small capacity they have very little down low. The 300tdi is great for touring because of the fuel economy, but really lack anything before the turbo kicks in. For this reason I'd be more inclined to go with a GQ or Land Cruiser if it was purely for towing.

Okay, the pros and cons of both Rangies and Discos.

Rangie- Better to drive, off-road and a better 'feeling' vehicle if I can say that. Bad thing about the Rangies, especially the early 90's models like mine is that Viscous coupling transfer and the crap 10 splines. The late 92/93's have a different 10 spline axle flange which are identical to the later Disco 24 spline and there not easy to get a hold of if you do break one. Can xconvert to the old 'mushroom head' style 10 splines, but you are better off upgrading anyway after you break a couple.

Discos- Plentiful supply, got the stronger axles and have that lovely LT230. The basics are there for a off-road weapon, but they don't have the same feel off-road as Rangies and after owning both Discos and Rangies, found the later more important. But that's a personal opinion, some people love there Discoveries and are more than wrapt in them. Maybe I had a Lemon or something dunno!!!

Ifr you prwefer the Rangie, stay with the pre 89 models with the Lt230 and no fancy crap. Trade off is that lousy L-Ject EFI. Doesn't m,atter wghat model you choose, there's something you are not going to like.

Hope I haven't confused you, but good luck anyway whith whatever you choose. There both land Rovers and that's what matter at the end of the day!!

Trav

If you're after a 94+ Disco, then you're going to have the later 24 spline axles. They changed them from 10 spline around about 92-93.
There are many other significant upgrades from the 94+ models, mainly cosmetic, that make it a much better buy than the pre-94 models.

G'day G'day...

I'm a kind of posting on behalf of my old man.. He is a devout rangie man. I sort of can see why 3link + A frame and a IMHO perfect wheelbase. He has a '82 rangie and has whacked a mazda 3.4 ? lt diesel (sounds like a tractor) in it and yanked the trbo of a paj and put that on as well, He has also painted it desert cammo and calls it desert storm- must be a rover thing.

THe thing is a bit of a beast...BUTT.... if we go and play he goes BANG very very quickly ie; 33's with standard diffs... GRRR !!

UUmmm he is thinking of getting axles from a 94+ disco, whacking them in and getting air lockers to suit the axles and he says his ring and pinion should fit... Do ya reckon this will fix the diff prob and let him run 35's ??

Cheers

Crazy rover mans son, Jeremy

Buy my 89 RR with 1.41 lt230 and 28spl maxi's fr&rr etc etc

pm if interested.

Cheers
Daryl

JemmyBubbles wrote:UUmmm he is thinking of getting axles from a 94+ disco, whacking them in and getting air lockers to suit the axles and he says his ring and pinion should fit... Do ya reckon this will fix the diff prob and let him run 35's ??
Crazy rover mans son, Jeremy

Literacy issues aside...

If you are breaking 10-spline axles, upgrading to 24 spline will help, but genuine 24 spline aren't nearly as strong as Maxi-Drive or Jac-Mac axles. So it would be much better to buy a Maxi-Drive or Jac-Mac locker rather than an ARB, and get the axles from the same place as the locker. For 35's the axles then won't be a problem, you just will have to worry about breaking CV's and ring and pinions.

Literacy issues ??

Aint the internet great.

Thanks for that. I believe the only reason he was going that route, was someone had said maxi's were a pain in the A hole as they can't be activated on the fly ?? is this true ?

Thanks again

Maxi-drives are fine, they can be activated on the fly (probably better than an ARB) as long as both wheels on the axle are turning at the same speed. If one wheel is spinning you have to stop and start again.

I have never had a problem with my maxi - and don't know anyone else who has (apart from melting their air lines because they ran them too close to the exhaust), but I know heaps of people who have had air leak problems with ARB's.

Fit either maxi or jacmac diff lock, and if your budget cannot run to the 2 best options, then go with the arb which once you fit maxi axles are not that cheeeeep any more.

MichaEL.

HSV Rangie wrote:Fit either maxi or jacmac diff lock, and if your budget cannot run to the 2 best options, then go with the arb which once you fit maxi axles are not that cheeeeep any more.

MichaEL.

Isn't the ARB now about $1300 without the compressor and fitting. And Maxi-or JacMac axles are $600-800 a pair. Which means about 2k total if you fit everything yourself. Which also comes to roughly the same price as a Maxi or JacMac locker, again not including fitting.

The last time I looked it was about $1170 or so retail. ARB are not too bad to haggle with and can screw them down a bit, especially being in a club for example.

I paisd about $1400 all up 2 years ago for mine which I had a Rangie club member assist with the fitting, setting the backlash, etc...

You're righht, better off buying the whole thing, yo don't save that much in the long run.

Trav