Outer Limits 4x4 Board

So, I heard earlier this year that CCDA are going to bring out a new Exo design which will need to be complied to that was coming 'late this year'

Anyone know about this, I did a bit more damage to my truck at Willowglen and realise now its time for a Exo.

I know its a grey area and its pretty much build to internal specs but on the outside but im not gonna outlay all the time n money if its just gonna become non compliant when they (if they) bring out a new spec.

Cheers
Brad

As far as I know the CCDA don't have an exact plan for external cages. Their rules on their website seem really confusing and open to interpretation. I understand that CCDA have a set rule for cage work for winch type trucks, but not really for rock crawlers and truggy type vehicles.

I know that bigger comps like Tuff Truck are adopting cage rules, and competing cars need an internal cage, I know of quite a few TTC rigs getting all new cage work done due to the new rules, and a lot of these have competed in the last couple of years.

Mine, being a dual cab, and still dailyed, theres not a lot of room for an internal cage, so exo it will be. It will be made with comps in mind, so Ill be checking rules, and emailing the rule makers to find out exactly what I need to have.

At current time no exo is valid under ccda, there are no design specs or requirements so no coverage.
Internal is required for comps.
This may be amended and going off what ive heard should be sorted out black and white very soon.
If i were you id hold out until its sorted

Yeh that's pretty much what i was told earlier in the year that more info will be released but im now a bit out of touch with it living in WA, i would like to have another go at Toperi (not this year but) but prefer not to put in a internal due to the extra protection a Exo gives you..

If anyone else has any info I'd love to hear it, and I don't wanna build to TT specs as im still weary of the grey area that surrounds the rules and where they came from so ill just hold off and wait like i have been doing.

And to me its not really an option to go internal and external as i don't like the idea of the extra weight and how it'll change the centre of gravity.

Ttc spec is ccda so the same as toperi.
From the conversation I had on Monday just wait a bit longer. If exo cages don't get passed then they will not be compliant and you will need an internal

Yeh thanks for that Evan, ill hold off and see what happens

At the end of the day i need some sort of cage, at willowglen i nearly put it on its side on the top of (I think it was) spider track bonus line and steered into it and it came back down but it had the potential to roll back down the hill.

Cheers for the info

EXO caes were never approved by the CCDA, each event had there own interpitation of it.. they always said EXO cages will be accessed on an individual bases..

It is only that TTC has gone you must have an internal now it has become a talking point. Problem i see is if Toperi goes this way also is its based around regoed cars up to outlaw and it is not legal to have an interal cage in NSW so there will be becoming alot more full comp unrego cars or less people entering ...

Unless you want to move to QLD as they still allow black pipe as cages...

If your planning on building for TT forget CCDA just ask Pete for the specs on what he is building next because i am sure the rules will be changed so he can build what ever he has coming

If you want to compete in every other event you best to ask the people that run them to know exactly what you can and cant have. My biggest suggestion is to get help from someone that knows what they are doing and stick with ERW seamless not NB pipe.

MogLux wrote: Unless you want to move to QLD as they still allow black pipe as cages...

Mate you really are a tool. Because you only upgraded from the patchwork POS of a lux you use to have that was so chicken shit welded together it was scary to look at up close. Shit boxes like that are the main reason rules had to be changed. Because Tools like your self would most likely hurt them selfs in a role over because of there welding then failure of the pipe it self.

But I am sorry We will stand back and look at your glow because you have a car now that you had all his mates weld up for you and is built out of ERW...
Your cool

V.W.Dave wrote: Mate you really are a tool.

Have a quick look at yourself there bud

V.W.Dave wrote:

MogLux wrote: Unless you want to move to QLD as they still allow black pipe as cages...

Mate you really are a tool. Because you only upgraded from the patchwork POS of a lux you use to have that was so chicken shit welded together it was scary to look at up close. Shit boxes like that are the main reason rules had to be changed. Because Tools like your self would most likely hurt them selfs in a role over because of there welding then failure of the pipe it self.

But I am sorry We will stand back and look at your glow because you have a car now that you had all his mates weld up for you and is built out of ERW...
Your cool

Really, did you have to say all that with the insults?

dave your obviously here to make friends again...

V.W.Dave wrote:

MogLux wrote: Unless you want to move to QLD as they still allow black pipe as cages...

Mate you really are a tool. Because you only upgraded from the patchwork POS of a lux you use to have that was so chicken shit welded together it was scary to look at up close. Shit boxes like that are the main reason rules had to be changed. Because Tools like your self would most likely hurt them selfs in a role over because of there welding then failure of the pipe it self.

But I am sorry We will stand back and look at your glow because you have a car now that you had all his mates weld up for you and is built out of ERW...
Your cool

Seriously Dave you have know idea what you are talking about never have .. hence why you only crawl out of your shell every 6 months or so..

you show me a comp in qld apart from the new OZ rules that do not allow black pipe cages.. because i cant, and if they do they dont enforce them like TTC didnt untill a few years ago..

Read the fucking thread title dave this is about external cages under CCDA... there are farking none you dipshit..

V.W.Dave wrote:If your planning on building for TT forget CCDA just ask Pete for the specs on what he is building next because i am sure the rules will be changed so he can build what ever he has coming .

Again another reason you should go back to were you were hiding.. another dickhead comment about things you have no idea about.. you pull out the TTC comments every yr about this time Dave.. grow a brain you wanker.. Rules are put in place for saftey and the compliance to body rules to ensure the comp stays a CAR comp.. hence why chassis rails are still there .. not Pete working around what he has got or building.. The way people interpet the rules is all in there imagination.. but you wouldnt know about that now would you .. or hang on a leaf sprung zook on 36s can out drive everyone i recall you telling me one day..

MogLux wrote:

V.W.Dave wrote:

MogLux wrote: Unless you want to move to QLD as they still allow black pipe as cages...

Mate you really are a tool. Because you only upgraded from the patchwork POS of a lux you use to have that was so chicken shit welded together it was scary to look at up close. Shit boxes like that are the main reason rules had to be changed. Because Tools like your self would most likely hurt them selfs in a role over because of there welding then failure of the pipe it self.

But I am sorry We will stand back and look at your glow because you have a car now that you had all his mates weld up for you and is built out of ERW...
Your cool

Seriously Dave you have know idea what you are talking about never have .. hence why you only crawl out of your shell every 6 months or so..

you show me a comp in qld apart from the new OZ rules that do not allow black pipe cages.. because i cant, and if they do they dont enforce them like TTC didnt untill a few years ago..

Read the fucking thread title dave this is about external cages under CCDA... there are farking none you dipshit..

Look admin he said the F-word...... OOOOOO and it only took one reply to get the lynch mob back

Just wondering are you going to Cry to Ben Henry or to Pricey about these comments???

V.W.Dave wrote:
Just wondering are you going to Cry to Ben Henry or to Pricey about these comments???

Some how i dont think i need to cry to anyone .. im sure they will both comment when they see your comments once agian ... we have all been waiting for you to crawl back out from hibernation.. its getting close to your normal TTC bashing..

MogLux wrote:

V.W.Dave wrote:If your planning on building for TT forget CCDA just ask Pete for the specs on what he is building next because i am sure the rules will be changed so he can build what ever he has coming .

Again another reason you should go back to were you were hiding.. another dickhead comment about things you have no idea about.. you pull out the TTC comments every yr about this time Dave.. grow a brain you wanker.. Rules are put in place for saftey and the compliance to body rules to ensure the comp stays a CAR comp.. hence why chassis rails are still there .. not Pete working around what he has got or building.. The way people interpet the rules is all in there imagination.. but you wouldnt know about that now would you .. or hang on a leaf sprung zook on 36s can out drive everyone i recall you telling me one day..

Have you ever thought that maybe I do it just to ster the likes of you and a few others up just for the fun of it Every time I do I can imagin the likes of you and the others dancing around a fire with barnzy tin foil hats??? Thanks for keeping that image alive for me

As far as my old zuke goes it was a budget back yard style build that was on old 39 swompers. If I recall I believe I said for a leafy it had 17" worth of travel in the front and could out drive most. Not all. hahah Funny thing is I sold that thing ummmm over 2 years ago you sure do like to hold onto things don't you. Anyway bought it back for my son to drive about a week ago. I actually am a few weeks away from building a V8 single seater because up here in Qld we don't have one comp that dictates what we can and cant build for the wrest of the comps throughout the year.

MogLux wrote: we have all been waiting for you

AWWWW I feel so loved... maybe I should start my own show seeing as I have such a crowd.

Funny thing is I only really had a good bash at TT one year that's right ONE year. If you go back and look it was all you that brought it all up last year. Good to know I get remembered
Last year I could have gone on about the metal star pickets that were placed beside the tire s on the mud run and how dangerous they were but I didn't because I know it would have fallen on def ears. I think we are ALL just still riding the whitewash from the wave I created 3 years ago. Sounds like you are ALL waiting form me to paddle out for the next set.

Ah the stooge season has begun!
Good to see you back Tex, I love reading all your informative, well spelt and well punctuated posts that are full of valuable knowledge at this time of year. You never let us down, especially when TT is mentioned by someone.

Tex, in NSW comps tend to follow what we are aiming to achieve, which is a safer sport. Yes it's been frustrating for those who are trying to get a solid answer out of CCDA but we believe we are on the right track working with them to get some clarity with the cage rules. What is virtually impossible is to write a set of rules that applies equally to each make and model. All we are trying to do is improve on what we have and eliminate more grey areas. If you want to try cause shit and bag the fawk out of what we do then feel free, it's expected by now. At least we are out there trying to improve the safety and professionalism of the sport.

Brad we are in the process working with CCDA to get a set of drawings and specs for various styles of exo and truggy style cages to try eliminate grey areas of the rules as its well documented there are no specs/diagrams of an exo cage or Truggy build. Hopefully we have some news shortly.

At the end of the day all we are trying to do is ensure people are building better designed and safer vehicles. If we didn't care we would just say run whatever. The rules will never be perfect.

We will always have our critics, with you being without doubt #1 Tex, but at least we're out there doing something constructive and positive to the sport.

MogLux wrote:you show me a comp in qld apart from the new OZ rules that do not allow black pipe cages.. because i cant, and if they do they dont enforce them like TTC didnt untill a few years ago..

WTC has been run under CCDA cage requirements for the last 4 years, The Mackay offroad challenge this year was CCDA cage specs, and the new NQ extreme offroad club comps all require CCDA cage specifcations, no black pipe is aloud for any of them.

sprungupcruiser wrote:

MogLux wrote:you show me a comp in qld apart from the new OZ rules that do not allow black pipe cages.. because i cant, and if they do they dont enforce them like TTC didnt untill a few years ago..

WTC has been run under CCDA cage requirements for the last 4 years, The Mackay offroad challenge this year was CCDA cage specs, and the new NQ extreme offroad club comps all require CCDA cage specifcations, no black pipe is aloud for any of them.

Watch out Rob these guys know guys that will put a end to anything you know or thought you knew.... (que the A-team music only off key)

MogLux wrote: Unless you want to move to QLD as they still allow black pipe as cages...

So exactly how much stronger is a cage built from ERW than a cage built from pipe?

Shadow wrote:

MogLux wrote: Unless you want to move to QLD as they still allow black pipe as cages...

So exactly how much stronger is a cage built from ERW than a cage built from pipe?

Ask anyone who has bent both pipe and proper cage material and they will tell you the proper tube is so much more difficult to bend with a manual bender than the pipe. Kinda gives you the answer right there.

I knew I was the MOST hated person in Aus..... But shit MogLux you must be up there with me!

V.W.Dave wrote:

sprungupcruiser wrote:

MogLux wrote:you show me a comp in qld apart from the new OZ rules that do not allow black pipe cages.. because i cant, and if they do they dont enforce them like TTC didnt untill a few years ago..

WTC has been run under CCDA cage requirements for the last 4 years, The Mackay offroad challenge this year was CCDA cage specs, and the new NQ extreme offroad club comps all require CCDA cage specifcations, no black pipe is aloud for any of them.

Watch out Rob these guys know guys that will put a end to anything you know or thought you knew.... (que the A-team music only off key)

Dave why would have ago at Rob... One he answered my question.. Secondly he does make stupid ass comments that he has no idea about.., if you read my original post it said if there are comps up there there must be relaxed rules cause there is still a number of trucks that run it ...
We only dislike your smart ass no it all crap that dribbles from your mouth

WICKED wrote:I knew I was the MOST hated person in Aus..... But shit MogLux you must be up there with me!

New team right there Benny.... 2015 ttc look out Team most hated is coming.. With the team moto .. Even VWDave has more friends than Us

MogLux wrote:

WICKED wrote:I knew I was the MOST hated person in Aus..... But shit MogLux you must be up there with me!

New team right there Benny.... 2015 ttc look out Team most hated is coming.. With the team moto .. Even VWDave has more friends than Us

Knew where we can get star pickets?
I'll let you do the welding tho!

WICKED wrote: I'll let you do the welding tho!

Your a braver man than me, make sure you pack some 2" m8 bolts just incase you need some fill in for hectic high tensile reinforcements

stilivn wrote:

WICKED wrote: I'll let you do the welding tho!

Your a braver man than me, make sure you pack some 2" m8 bolts just incase you need some fill in for hectic high tensile reinforcements

That's out of the budget!
I can get so rebar from work, stuff they use in concrete that'll be heaps strong enough!

I know of an MQ you could get plenty of NB pipe from.............people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.......



Thanks for an intelligent reply On the exo issues Steve.