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4x4 Australia Magazine, Issue 248, pg 55, For the next generation patrol the F-Alpha platform will be used. F-Alpha = "full boxed section chassis and has fully independent suspension."

Ossie

Ossie wrote:4x4 Australia Magazine, Issue 248, pg 55, For the next generation patrol the F-Alpha platform will be used. F-Alpha = "full boxed section chassis and has fully independent suspension."

Ossie

so the photos on www.patrol4wd.org are shit...

RIP PATROL
its now offically gay.

The good side to this.. prices on current GU and GQ's will skyrocket!

brucester

the ones on patrol4wd.org are the 2004 refresh pics

the ones in 4x4 aust will be next generation


ie, GW or whatever they decide to call it

that SUCKS!

WTF is the deal these days with stupid independant suspension all around?? 4x4's that used to be very truck like and are now very van like...like a mini-van! We got soooooo much of this junk in the USA. Our SUV market is flooded with vehicles that simply look like 4wd mini-vans. Stupid yuppie mall cruisers but people are buying them in hoards. It really is Grimace. Now if a manufacturer like Nissan feels the need to make junk like the Armada to fill a void or compete with other junk like the H2 then so be it. But they really need to pull their heads out of their asses and see that they have been keeping people happy for the last 50 years with solid axle vehicles made for use in rough conditions. To just get rid of these tried and true designs that are built for use and built to last really makes my heart sag in my chest. Not to mention it doesn't make much sense....

It would seem that in less than 5 years all we will be able to buy for REAL use is going to be older used trucks. No longer will we be able to buy something capable from the manufacturers. It is nearly this way already in the US of A. You should see all the Rubicon Jeeps in the USA that are mall cruisers! And these are supposed to be an off the shelf off-road vehicle, It really is a sick site to see....what junk!

Last thing I am curious about....how do you market something like a mall cruisers in countries where the roads still suck and where you need a good 4wd to get home at the end of the day. For example in Africa, Australia, Russia, S.America and so on......????

The 2005 mod are apperntly upgraded GU's. The NEXT GENERATION are 3 - 5 years off.

Rumour is the Tray and maybe DX will still be available on current gu chassis.

Ossie

RMP&O wrote:that SUCKS!

WTF is the deal these days with stupid independant suspension all around??

have a look at the market, 99.9% of 4wds sold take kids to school.. 100s and Paj's lead the way in this, and thats a fuckin big market share*, and nissan want their share.


*Market share, trendy way of sayin moolah.

how do u know that this is the next generation patrol? if i read correct they call it an amarda..

well if no REAL 4WDs exist on the market in the not to distant future, just means we will all have to build tube buggies, how bad can it be , cos after watching all the puosu vids, i'm inspired

Read the article again fellas.

They are talking about the next generation Patrol which is 3 to 5 years away.

They dont know if Patrol will even use that chassis and 4x4 said so in the article - they were just guessing. Also that chassis is IFS/Live rear not IFS/IRS

AJ wrote:Read the article again fellas.

They are talking about the next generation Patrol which is 3 to 5 years away.

They dont know if Patrol will even use that chassis and 4x4 said so in the article - they were just guessing. Also that chassis is IFS/Live rear not IFS/IRS

It would still be a crap out come, to have no full size wagon on the market without live axles.

I guess we will all be driving Land Drover Defender 90 and 110's.

MD

OR 105 series toyotas

1hzzzz wrote:OR 105 series toyotas

great idea it will be a IFS/IRS before the patrol is. The next gen patrol is only report to be getting IFS. Toyota has already stated that there will be no live axle front cruiser (dont know what they are doing with the utes). Pretty sure they also reported IRS as well.
Anyway by the time it comes out I maybe able to afford a 98GU, if i'm lucky.

turps wrote:Anyway by the time it comes out I maybe able to afford a 98GU, if i'm lucky.

And GU shorties should be well and truely here

If they were genuinely inclined to, they could develop a vehicle with fully independent suspension all round that would outperform a live axle vehicle on and off road.

It would probably look different though.

Jason

MQ080 wrote:

turps wrote:Anyway by the time it comes out I maybe able to afford a 98GU, if i'm lucky.

And GU shorties should be well and truely here

I like the way you think.

Update

Yes 100% 122 votes

What nobody voting no???

if the patrol does become independant then save ya $$$ and buy a jimny. live axle and coils at all corners?

Some smart engineers will still be able to do solid axle swaps on them. Have a look at all the solid axle Surfs, Navara/Pathfinders, Vitaras that are getting around nowadays.

XXL Maverick wrote:Some smart engineers will still be able to do solid axle swaps on them. Have a look at all the solid axle Surfs, Navara/Pathfinders, Vitaras that are getting around nowadays.

yes, add that $5000 to the $60,000 you pay for it in the first place..

bogged wrote:

XXL Maverick wrote:Some smart engineers will still be able to do solid axle swaps on them. Have a look at all the solid axle Surfs, Navara/Pathfinders, Vitaras that are getting around nowadays.

yes, add that $5000 to the $60,000 you pay for it in the first place..

Or add that $60,000 to the $5000 you pay for it in the first place, would be more like it!

Next rumour....

Patrol to be released at a motor show in Europe on 13 Aug 04.

3.0 Diesel only but not sure if that inclusde Aus.

Ossie

Ossie wrote:Ossie

get back to work justice league boy.

Plenty of info here:

http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/inde ... eadid=4067

AJ wrote:Plenty of info here:

http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/inde ... eadid=4067

its lookin like a serious offroader already!

The word from dealer land is that gu patrol is on run out, the realese for the new patrol is october 2005 that has been confifmed!

Nissan have tested 4.8 diesel in aust!

sparksy wrote:The word from dealer land is that gu patrol is on run out, the realese for the new patrol is october 2005 that has been confifmed!

Nissan have tested 4.8 diesel in aust!

huh?? so this patrol in the pics wont be out until late 2005?

I think he means 2004

2 updates i think, one later this year, as you have seen in the pics.
Call it a GU IV for want of a better name.

And in late 2005 from what i understand a whole new patrol. With who knows what specs.

Evan

Evan wrote:2 updates i think, one later this year, as you have seen in the pics.
Call it a GU IV for want of a better name.

And in late 2005 from what i understand a whole new patrol. With who knows what specs.

Evan

I thought we where already upto GU IV.

And the whole new patrol is atleast 3-5yrs away.