Outer Limits 4x4 Board

just had a few questions re the popularity of the 3b
can the 3b do up to 750000miles as read on the net somewhere?
and is it a decent engine?

If by some miracle i could afford an atx turbo kit, would the other relatively stock components be able to handle the added horsepower?

Theres 310000kms on the clock that i know of (the odo was stuck when i got it) and the gearbox has been pretty good so far. i only paid $5k and the atx kit would be easly more than half of that.

I'm no really keen on spending that kinda money if its going to crap out the other bits of it, altho its an excuse to upgrade, i dont know if i could keep up financially. breakages would also suck as its my DD.

i would be real keen also to hear if anyone has info

my 3b has 250,000 spoke to AXT and marks adaptors today
axt said they'll test it on a dyno and not bull%^t you if they don't think i is fit to put a turbo on it. they reckon major problem is heat killing the engines but they have best turbos on market - don't reckon need intercooler...

marks had concerns

i have heard of 3bs doing 750 as long as they are well oiled

GO THE TRACTOR

OK i dont know much about these engines but have had a few worked V8`s so of my experence of dyno`s you want a strong engine to start with otherwise it might go bye bye`s,2nd how good is the dyno shop ,are they know for blowing engines on a dyno??? i know of 1 shop in newcastle that does 1 a month or there abouts

Im currently looking at turboing my 2.8D (berrima deisel) and was told the same thing about intercooling no need to have it

The main reason for the intercooler is to allow higher boost pressures to be run while keeping the air going into the engine cooler and more dense, so more fuel can also be pumped into the cylinders while keeping the fuel/air ratio correct which in turn = more horsepower, but on a stock diesel only running around 7.5 to 8.5 psi boost the intercooler isnt really required

scotto wrote:i would be real keen also to hear if anyone has info

my 3b has 250,000 spoke to AXT and marks adaptors today
axt said they'll test it on a dyno and not bull%^t you if they don't think i is fit to put a turbo on it. they reckon major problem is heat killing the engines but they have best turbos on market - don't reckon need intercooler...

marks had concerns

i have heard of 3bs doing 750 as long as they are well oiled

GO THE TRACTOR

Mine was supplied and fitted by Axt about 18 months ago and I agree with the above. My 3B had 206,000 on the clock when it was done now have about 208,000 on it , Yeah I know I dont drive it enough


Dazz

bj42turbo, I guess you havent seen any excessive wear with your 2000kms.. i think ive done about 20, 000kms in about the year ive had it..

how was the change in performance? did you get better economy? what else can you tell us about your donk and turbo?

but does she FLY dazz

Change in performance?? if you are expecting a tyre shreading monster you would be greatly dissapointed, My biggest issue pre turbo was not being able to hold top gear on a long hill, now it is not an issue, but bear in mind Axt have set up a conservitive boost as I want my engine to last. Fuel ecomony couldn't really answer that as it has never being a daily driver. But I would imagin it would be better as I dont have my foot to the floor all the time. Scotto I think the above should answer you ? as well.

Cheers Dazz

Apart fron direct and indirect injection... This set up will be the same pretty much as the factory 13BT?

the 3b with a/m turbo looks a bit better

3500 for a 3b with 250-350 thousand
5000 ish for a 13bt with maybe 100 000 on it from a jap diesel place

i am hoping for a long hill solution, yes
i do also liike to play and could do with some extra mumbo,
i am thinking of running 34" jungle trekkers which would be a change to 33s and a bit more would go a long way
think the turbo would really assist in mid range - as 3b is not tooo bad off the mark, and is a good recovery wagon
there is also much praise of less stress and better economy through lower rpm

if you ask me it's in black and white and red below
the question more at hand is 250k or 350k an ok age to start bearing in mind not likey to run 15lb?

scotto
I think you have realistic expectations on what the turbo will do for you, Km shouldn't an issue cause as mentioned before Axt wont fit a turbo to a engine that is dogdy. The graghs on the website are a bit far of what your actuall dyno report will show post turbo. On another issue when I went sussing out power upgrade options, turboing my donk was definatly the cheaper option. My preferred option was having a Holden Fuel injected V8 pre GEN 3 installed but this was around 6 grand plus motor.


Cheers Dazz

hey fellas have had abit of time to muck around with my 3b an turbos i have got a SCHWITZER KIT on mine... alot cheaper and more low down torque cost me 1700 bucks direct from DENCO DIESEL in WAGGA WAGGA i have got a fare bit of info on it and not enough fingers to type... if yawant give me a ring on 0414 611 182 and will be glad to give ya a hand any way i can
heres a couple of threds i had to help me outwith all the sh1t and turbos etc....


http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... =turbo+kit

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... =turbo+kit

Is that your flying forty? I saw it on the net before...
That pic has had me in stiches for months

Good show with the info.
thanks muss

Scott

Hey Muss,

thanks to you and everyone else for your posts. Yeah the main reason for considering the turbo is so i get better performance on the long up hills where i find my speed droping 10-20kph with my foot flat to the floor (lots of these on the way from bne to rover park..) . and also a bit more mid range would be good as I find my foot flat to the floor from 3rd to 4th on most occasions..

The links you posted help heaps in considering alternatives as I had hardly heard of any alternatives to the ATX. the cost of the SCHWITZER KIT is also a good thing as I am having a hard time justifying the cost of an ATX at all!

Does anyone know of a DENCO DIESEL or some one who stocks ATX in brisbane/QLD who they would recommend talking to? I have a regular mechanic for my 5000km services but i doubt this is something he would like to deal with..

Muss, since your upgrade what can you tell us about your performance differences (more torque down low? mid range?), additional maintenance costs, etc?

I saw mention of a leak test?? for a diesel? I guess most diesel speciallists could do this .. and if the results arent very good then that could indicate if the turbo is an option at all..

thanks everyone and keep the info coming!

hey shorty

I sent an email to Denco (sales) this morning and this is what they reckon:

SCOTT,

A TURBO KIT FOR A BJ WILL COST YOU $2240.00 INC GST.

THE TURBO WE USE IS A S1B SCHWITZER WHICH IS WASTGATED.

BY FITTING THIS YOU WILL BE LOOKING AT A POWER INCREASE OF 25-30%.

AS FOR THE TIMER IT IS UP TO THE END USER, IF YOU WANT PEACE OF MIND THEN I WOULD FIT ONE.

I SUGGEST THAT YOU GO AND SEE THE BOYS AT ROTOMASTER IN SOMERTON. THEY ARE ONE OF OUR TURBO KIT DEALERS. THEIR PHONE NUMBER IS 03 93080600.

The guys at rotomaster did overquote on the kit price, but it shows that Denco knows where agents are you shoul be able to find one.
Mate talk to Rocklea Diesel and also the Jap Motor recyclers on I think they are near where Discount Tyre Service (or whatever it has been replaced by) is in Moorooka. Yes I am a Qlder, but come to Melbourne for the mud...

Send email to

sales@dencodiesel.com

and they'll point you in the right direction.
DOES YOURS BLOW SMOKE???
There's a pipe near the oild filter - that is kind of a pressure release thingo they check for leaks.

I reckon I will watch this space, talk to a few diesel workshops then put it on a dyno to test.

Thanks for the postings guys...BJs unite
Scotty

...BJs unite

I did ring that mob in somerton and no one was there that could answer my questions, so I left a message and they never returned my call, so AXT got the job. They might have being more expensive but their customer service was excellent, Thats more important to me than price some times.

Cheers Dazz

bj42turbo wrote: but their customer service was excellent, Thats more important to me than price some times.

cause if they don't give YOU the time what are they gonna do with your TRUCK?

hey guys given great advice on turbos......with denco and for those gentlemen in brisbane.....i have a mate that has a crusier 75' and took it to denco to get the treatment and the best ones that i have scene was gympie arb......its not as expensive as most...has a 4x4 dyno and all the gear...hopes this helps someone

cheers

Hey all,

I decidied to start investigating options and this is the reply I got back from sales@dencodiesel.com:

Thank you for your enquiry regarding our Toyota BJ kit. This kit is valued at $2240 including GST. This kit does no include remote mounted air clenaer which is required for the BJ40 and BJ42 or the exhaust system. This kit contains all oil supply and drain plumbing, charge air pipe, wastegated turbocharger on new manfold. Achieves an 25% power increase. If you have any further enquiries please do not hesitate to contact us on 0011 612 69254348.

My question is, does this require replacing the existing exhaust system, if so what would be the best choice to match the new turbo (3" exhaust?) and any recommedations for soneone to do this in BNE? Also what is the remote mounted air cleaner? Is that just for the Turbo's intake? could this be something that is plumbed of the existing safari snorkle?

I also emailed rockleadiesel.com.au and got this reply which I am yet to follow up: For your turbo go to MTQ Engine systems on 32751499 and ask for Peter

Thanks for any info..

Gday i had a bj70 that i turbod to get it to go better. did it at 100,000, sold car with 240000 Made a big difference in performance, got 10km/l on a trip. 13bt will last 750kms, they are direct injected and dont louse up the oil like the 3b does. This is the pick of the two, but costly....Ruthy has a 13bt in his troupy. Bottom line with turboing, u need to do a compression check and if all the cylinders are even, it will handle being BOOSTED ok
If u run concervative boost, the old 3b will go for ever...i had it set to 9 psi.
Andrew

G'Day Guys i've just had my BJ42 Motor rebuild at 36,0000kms...now on 5,000kms,..... now have New Garrett water-cooled turbocharger.

Turbo invoice said:

Dyno test Vehicle. Supply a fit turbo systerm including exhaust upgrade 3". Supply and fit power and economy systerm. Remove snorkel, modify to suit hi-flow 3" intake systerm and refit. dyno test,tune and replace injector pump govermor lines. rerate injector pump operation and record tests.

(turbo is also air cooled with Fins)(exhaust manifold was modefired)( Air cleaner was not moved)
Garrett Turbo:.$4,200.00
2 Stage and econmy swich kit.. $365.00.
Snorkel upgrade to 3" inlet ..$220.00.
..................................Total $4.785.00

i am very happy, Dyno test said 50% more power: max power= 52.4kw at 100kph ........am thinking about INTERCOOLER KIT next =78.0kw

scotto wrote:the 3b with a/m turbo looks a bit better

3500 for a 3b with 250-350 thousand
5000 ish for a 13bt with maybe 100 000 on it from a jap diesel place

Rubbish I know where I can get a 13bt right now for $2700 and one just sold on ebay for around $2500. you can pick up 3bs nice and cheap if you look around. For $3500 you would be able to find a whole car with a 3b in it. I bought a bj73 with a 3b turboed for $3300.
I think you are better of going a 13bt or even a 14bt, as they are direct injection and they are a newer motor.
The 13bt comes out in the 70 series cruiser but the 14bt comes out of a small truck.
As far as turboing a 3b they are a good strong motor to turbo and one good feature is that they an oil nozzle that sprays the bottom of the piston wich is a good thing for turbos. I was advised by a couple of places not to turbo after 200.000 ks but plenty of people do it sucsefully.
Cheers.
Dave.

Fire wrote:G'Day Guys i've just had my BJ42 Motor rebuild at 36,0000kms...now on 5,000kms,..... now have New Garrett water-cooled turbocharger.

Turbo invoice said:

Dyno test Vehicle. Supply a fit turbo systerm including exhaust upgrade 3". Supply and fit power and economy systerm. Remove snorkel, modify to suit hi-flow 3" intake systerm and refit. dyno test,tune and replace injector pump govermor lines. rerate injector pump operation and record tests.

(turbo is also air cooled with Fins)(exhaust manifold was modefired)( Air cleaner was not moved)
Garrett Turbo:.$4,200.00
2 Stage and econmy swich kit.. $365.00.
Snorkel upgrade to 3" inlet ..$220.00.
..................................Total $4.785.00

i am very happy, Dyno test said 50% more power: max power= 52.4kw at 100kph ........am thinking about INTERCOOLER KIT next =78.0kw

Thats CARAZY!.. that shopping list with prices is just abot how much i paid for the entire vehicle.. id be very hard pressed to spend that much on a turbo for my tired old 3b.. I have recently (as of a month or two ago) talked to denco about their kit that retails for $2500.. only thing is it doesnt include an exhaust.. anyway.. my km's are up around the 335000km mark now so its about the same as yours by the time i get to put a turbo on mine..

Fire I would be very interested to hear how it drives better compared to before.. do you notice the improvement straight away, mid rev range or top end? anything else you would like to share with us about the installation, improvements, gotcha's would be appreciated..

midi73: i have seen 3b's around advertised for around $600!! even people who have had them for sale for ages and been unable to find a buyer! that doesnt say much for the condition they are in but these motors are definately around for cheap as chips.

thanks

shorty_forty.

Hey all, I've got a 3B and turbo in my bj42 and to be honest i wouldn't drive any diesel without a turbo. My "new" engine cost less than $800 had done 320,000+ kms .My daily driver for months with out any problems. One of the few parts of my truck not worn out or leaking



Cheapest option (nearly 5 grand is nuts), is turn your stock exhaust manifold upside down, bolt on whatever turbo you think will work (there is tons of info on what type of turbos work well on 3b's at ih8mud.com ), plum in some oil/water lines, adjust fuel pump to give a bit more, get exhaust done. Enjoy your new found exhilaration

Swifty wrote:3B.... exhilaration

With any joy mine's going on next week

G'day guys good to have a read about shortys.

will post more turbo specification info at tigten ajustment stage

The motor was build for turbo has all new parts ....... Head been Ported Polished,....... Crank been balanced..........fuel pump rebuild....... pissed off 4 speed box... rebuild 5 speed box bearings,...... (Gearbox Gearing changed..5 gear feels like a overdrive).........tranfcase rebuild ........diffs rebuild......Front.Back Airlockers

turbo feels runs very smooth Quicker.... in gears 1.2.3.turbo boost throws you back into your seat........4 gear has less boost....very smooth.quick easy to hit 110kms...... ...5 gear smooth quick feels about same as 4 gear...... no wish seeing how fast i can go stopping at 110kms

i asked to have turbo set up for fuel economy with 2 stage swick on gear stick. i only use boost when overtaking

Dyno test report: before motor was rebuild with fuel turned up
Speed-Kph.........Power1-kw......Torque-Nm.....A/F.............PSI
40... .......................16................295.............20.6.
60..........................25.................307.............18.4
80..........................31.................389.............18.2
100........................32..................233............15.4
120...............NO 5 gear.......................................
Dyno test report motor pump rebuild
40..........................13................244
60..........................21................252
80..........................26................241
100........................28................207
120........................26................156
Dyno test report with turbo
40..........................16.................296.............................1.4
60..........................37................452..............................8.8
80..........................49................448..............................11.6
100........................52................385..............................10.8
120........................47................289..............................10.4
Dyno test report with turbo with no boost
40..........................15................273..............23.9
60..........................37................443..............19.9
80..........................48................442..............21.2
100........................52................380..............20.2
120........................48................294..............18.1

was on 32.1kw......... now 52.4 kw of power....... Intercooler kit that will give me 25% more=78.0 kw power ... and with Hi/LO boost control 10-15% kw=88.0kw

hi there

Just seen a turbo kit - second hand to suit a 3B engine on e-bay.

Seemed very cheap - last time I looked only $200.00

Wayne

New Garrett water-cooled turbocharger. is about $3113 inc GST
OIL COOLER KIT$495 inc GST
3B SERIES FUEL ENRICHMENT KIT $1155 inc GST

Fire who does the intercooker kit? And how much$$$