Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I have started a thread on the traction controll fitted to the front of my Zook as there seems to be a fair bit of interest and I didn't want to hijack others threads.

It is available as either a front or rear kit. Price fitted for the 4 wheel kit will be $2500
Which will include all sensors, computer,actuators, master cylinders, compressor and all hardwaqre for fitting.

I took mine out for a good run last night and I was amaized at how well it performed. NOW before peolpe start getting carried away a locker will always be BETTER.

We tried driving obsticles without it and most of them it didn't get up put the traction controll on and we walked straight up.

Why this will suit a lot of people not only Zook owners is that it takes a lot of load off the front end compared to locker as such. It allows a certain amount of slipand gradually puts the power through the other wheel. It also made steering it a lot easier in the tough stuff.
I guess as well it takes the guess worjk out of when to turn the front locker on and then off as well as all yopu do is turn it on when you hit the trail and turn it off when finished.
SAM

are you supplying for nsw, or do we have to travel to qld?

price broken down, front/rear??

And what about price for supply only?

HRZOOK

coily owners will love you........

2500 for traction control for all 4 wheels......is is cheaper if you already have ABS as the sensors will already be there? Will you need an engineers certificate? I have an XL7 and an very interested.

Greg
xl-7

When are you looking at having this available? Is this the same sort of setup that was in the lockless / POS? Can I use or adapt this set up for my FJ40?

I really like the sound of this set up as I recon I would get less breakages due to the 308 in my shortie. Due to the reduction of shock loads

Fieldsy wrote:When are you looking at having this available? Is this the same sort of setup that was in the lockless / POS? Can I use or adapt this set up for my FJ40?

I really like the sound of this set up as I recon I would get less breakages due to the 308 in my shortie. Due to the reduction of shock loads

from talking to tony/ruff at PUOSU, one of the best things with the haultech system is it's portability, can take it off your zook and put it onto your cruiser without much hassle. doesn't use any vehicle specific components as far as i know, so will work for ya 40

i think a few of the haultech boys run this on their buggies now

is it an engine driven compressor or an electric? possible to buy the kit without the compressor?

Okay I will try and answer all the questions.
Yes it can be fitted to pretty much all fourbies.
Runs an electric compressor (so if you already have one as long as it has a tank then you can use it )
Runs its own sensors so the abs sensors won't work.
is available in front or rear don't know the split prices though.
Yesit is available through us.
SAM

how does it work? does it use your brakes to stop spin? if so do you add something into the individual brakelines?


a little more info please im very interested in how it works.

does it work ok with the rear drum brakes? or would you want to do a disk brake conversion?

muppet_man67 wrote:does it work ok with the rear drum brakes? or would you want to do a disk brake conversion?

This has already been answered .....
I love acting like grimbo
Yes it does work with drums

DeWsE wrote:

muppet_man67 wrote:does it work ok with the rear drum brakes? or would you want to do a disk brake conversion?

This has already been answered .....
I love acting like grimbo
Yes it does work with drums

wish i'd thought of such a good semi-legit way of getting my post count up

DeWsE wrote:

muppet_man67 wrote:does it work ok with the rear drum brakes? or would you want to do a disk brake conversion?

This has already been answered .....
I love acting like grimbo
Yes it does work with drums

It hasnt been answed in this thread which is the one that you would be likely to read if you did a search. so oh loyal follower of ther great grimbo.

overkill wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-Mick- wrote:
muppet_man67 wrote:
OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:
After building a few and experimenting with heaps of stuff and different designs. For a budget truck I would go SPOA procomp shocks series three
Mongrel tyres 32's (mtr's if budjet permitted) high steer and lockers. That would give you a very capable truck that was still drivable.
SAM

ps another option for you all is the Haultec traction controll which is available front and rear for $2500 fitted.
SAM


How much for just the front? or does it only come on all fours?


Doesn't it only work with discs though



It does work with drums and yes you can get it in front only I'll get back to you with a price.
SAM

I am sorry next time I'll just farking let you guess what the answer is. Because apparently giving an answer to a question is "padding".

Ouch

As I said. not in this tread.

Okay price for front only will be $1600
SAM

i would be interested in the future. will it have some sort of warrantee? and if it was being swapped over from one sort of vehicle to another would it share the same brake bracketry eg GQ to GU?

I have seen the system in action, and seen the prototype systems when Sam (strange rover) and his business partner chuck started developing it about 4 years ago. It works really well and seems to be a lot better (faster acting) than the factory ETC fitted to Land Rovers and other vehicles.

The system (if it is still the same as the prototype) uses a proximity sensor on each corner, mounted just behind a thin disc of sheet steel with a ring of small holes drilled into it. This is what senses wheel spin. The 4x4 must have a separate brake line for each wheel (but I suppose you could mount the actuators on the rear diff for vehicles with a single rear line (like trucks do)), and 4 truck air brake actuators are fitted (one to each line) and connected to the compressor via solenoid valves.

The information from the 4 proximity sensors is fed to a microcontroller, which in turn sends a signal to one of the valves, which actautes the brake on that wheel. just enough to stop the wheel spin.

The system has been approved by the QLD DOT on a number of vehicles so should have no problem being approved in other states.

I like to see new solutions but as with everything there are pros and cons. I see a few nice pros but what are the cons? How does it cope in deep mud or soft sand? What's it like under sustained hard use?

OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:Okay price for front only will be $1600
SAM

OK, so I'm in Nuwe Zeulunde and I want a front only which I want to fit for myself. I gots a compressor.
Gizza ball park $. or was that it? Thanks for taking the time to respond to my humble question oh great mechanical person.
(foolish attempt to rid myself of BB Nazis)
LM.

cj wrote:I like to see new solutions but as with everything there are pros and cons. I see a few nice pros but what are the cons? How does it cope in deep mud or soft sand? What's it like under sustained hard use?

Im getting it fitted on the 11th and plan to do a lot of testing with the ETC turned on and off. Will post the results on OL.

I assume like all ETC that even the Haultech will rob the vehicle of momentum in slippery conditions where a bit of speed is needed like mud and sand. But i reckon in those cases just turn it off. But we will see

Im also wondering about the sensors becoming blocked by mud and the like, but again, we'll see eh.

Luigi Malone wrote:

OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:Okay price for front only will be $1600
SAM

OK, so I'm in Nuwe Zeulunde and I want a front only which I want to fit for myself. I gots a compressor.
Gizza ball park $.

Below is the answer to my question to Sam at Overkill "can i buy the kit and fit it myself?"

Spoke to Sam (Haultech ) today and at this stage they will only sell the kit as a fitted kit from a recommended fitter.Only because it is still new and they don't have all the bracketry sorted so we will more than likely have to modify or even make the brackets.Once they have fitted the kit to most cars then they may sell as a do it yourself kit.
SAM

And if you have your own compressor take a couple hundred off the price

DFND90 wrote:

cj wrote:I like to see new solutions but as with everything there are pros and cons. I see a few nice pros but what are the cons? How does it cope in deep mud or soft sand? What's it like under sustained hard use?

Im getting it fitted on the 11th and plan to do a lot of testing with the ETC turned on and off. Will post the results on OL.

I assume like all ETC that even the Haultech will rob the vehicle of momentum in slippery conditions where a bit of speed is needed like mud and sand. But i reckon in those cases just turn it off. But we will see

Im also wondering about the sensors becoming blocked by mud and the like, but again, we'll see eh.

Have had mine burried in mud and it still work perfectly.
As it is adj as to how quick it reacts then momentum is kept to a maximium.
SAM

You coming to wa anytime soon sam?
So did the sensors get cloged with mud?
How does it work in the mud? I mean are you getting two wheel traction or just traction from the one wheel that has best amount of weight on it?

The sensors worked fine didn't alter its operation at all.
As we hit the mud one wheel would slip then you could here the solenoids come on a off a few times then we had pretty good drive to bothe front wheels. As we kept going you could here the solenoids cycle every now and then but not as often as I thought.
In the rocks we would get about 1 wheel rotation before it kicked in and drove the stationary wheel.
SAM

correct me if im wrong. but what it does is in effect fake traction. by applying the brake to the wheel with less traction to equalise the amount of power required to turn each wheel. and stopping the wheel with less traction spinning out whilst the wheel with no traction doesn't move.

Yes that is what it does.
SAM

so in answer to dewse question whilst a difflock will give 100% power when a wheel is lifted to the grounded wheel, traction control means that you always get 50% power to each wheel. 50% to the one in the air and 50% to the wheel on the ground. In slippery conditions whilst a difflock will give 70% power to a wheel with 70% traction and 30% power to the wheel with 30% tracktion. traction control gives 50% power to both wheels regardles.