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hi guys
i own a gu patrol series 3 and i want to fit an alarm and a turbo timer but different people tell me it cant be done. from what ive heard id still have to wait for the timer to stop then activate the alarm so if this is the case what is the point of the timer i could just sit and wait. does any one out there have this combo running or any ideas

I got it done.
works too

its illegal to leave the car with the engine running on the TTimer anyway.

I usually take it easy for last few klms to where Im going, then while I unpack car, let it idle, that cools it down.

i have a alarm and timer in a hilux and have no problems with the alarm when the timer runs

so if i read this rite you can turn the car ofat the ignittion(and still running on the timer) and the alarm will function normally

hang on so it illegal to leave ur car run with a turbo timer??? is that just in nsw or vic or is it in qld too?

I thought that T/Timers where hard to get for GU's anyway??

What retard made it illegal.

Dosnt it defeat the purpose of a timer in the first place if you arnt allowed to leave it runnin?

terrytuffnut wrote:What retard made it illegal.

Dosnt it defeat the purpose of a timer in the first place if you arnt allowed to leave it runnin?

As it was told to me, its cause some anus thought that people could jump in thje runnin car and steal it.

yea 1-5 mins get away.

Also NUMEROUS insurance companies wont allow them. That was a Cookie to get with all the other lifted mods etc..

aussiepaul wrote:so if i read this rite you can turn the car ofat the ignittion(and still running on the timer) and the alarm will function normally

yes.

I thought u couldnt have a remote start function on your turbo timer/alarm? not a 'cool down' period at the end.

eliteforce32 wrote:hang on so it illegal to leave ur car run with a turbo timer??? is that just in nsw or vic or is it in qld too?

Its actually in the ADR's & has been since ther inception. The engine cannot remain running while the key is removed. Helps prevent RETARDED people hve their vehicle drive away by iteself or by undesirables.

If you leave the keys in the ignition on purpose & leave it running then that your own sooopid fault.

mkpatrol wrote:

eliteforce32 wrote:hang on so it illegal to leave ur car run with a turbo timer??? is that just in nsw or vic or is it in qld too?

Its actually in the ADR's & has been since ther inception. The engine cannot remain running while the key is removed. Helps prevent RETARDED people hve their vehicle drive away by iteself or by undesirables.

If you leave the keys in the ignition on purpose & leave it running then that your own sooopid fault.

and if your kid is on the front seat and pulls it into D..

bogged wrote:I got it done.
works too

its illegal to leave the car with the engine running on the TTimer anyway.

I usually take it easy for last few klms to where Im going, then while I unpack car, let it idle, that cools it down.

just checked with NRMA, in NSW they will accept a turbo timer as a legal accessory & have no issues weather it's a petrol or diesel.

Your kid would have to have their foot on the brake as well to get it out of park.
The 2 minutes driving isn't the problem,it's the steering lock that makes for excitement.
J Top

If you want a GOOD alarm you could go with the Viper Alarm. You can then add modules for both, Turbo Timer, and Remote Start if you wish.

As a general rule with remote start, not sure about turbo timer though. If it is started and somebody touches the brake pedal, the car will turn off. If a Turbo Timer can be hooked up to do the same then it would be fine.

But they would have to be quick to get away, even at full adjustment most only go for 5 minutes. Plus, the car is locked they would have to beat both the alarm and then the timer.


Meldge

thanks for the repl guys .
just spoke to arb and the problem with turbo timers for gu patrols is that there is two types available ,one for trucks with and one for without sub tanks. i also spoke to the alarm shop and there is alarms available for cars with turbo timers .
one again thanks guys

J Top wrote:Your kid would have to have their foot on the brake as well to get it out of park.
The 2 minutes driving isn't the problem,it's the steering lock that makes for excitement.
J Top

not all cars require the brake to be degressed to pull it out of park O_O

GU Patrol, as stated at the start of this thread, does.
J Top

J Top wrote:GU Patrol, as stated at the start of this thread, does.
J Top

was commenting as to its justification in the ADR's

GU Patrol, as stated at the start of this thread, does.
J Top

was commenting as to its justification in the ADR's

Here's an Aussie company that make top quality turbo timer friendly alarms. Make sure any alarm you get is Australian Standards approved (eg. same guage black wiring, passive immobilisation, on board ignition disabling relays, no externally accessible plugs etc.)

http://www.dynamco.com.au/Sales/alarms/Index.html

Somebody mentioned Viper were good..... After owning and installing one I can say they're not worth the money- lots of bells and whistles but the ignition disabling is useless. I warned a friend against getting one installed in his Integra Type R, but he didn't listen- it was the top of the range Viper but didn't even have black wiring or on board multipoint ignition disabling . The remote pager was supposed to work for some huge distance but would barely function over 200 metres! It false triggered constantly and had a mind of it's own.... Tried to get his money back with no luck.

BTW check out this list for decent alarms (heading says immobilisers, but alarms are listed too)- notice no Viper products are listed.

http://www.immobilisers.wa.gov.au/app_immob/

bogged wrote:
its illegal to leave the car with the engine running on the TTimer anyway.......

In my part of the world there's a swedish company selling what they call a "turbo-saver" that is actually an oil reservoir that fills up while the endgine is running and then slowly empties itself throught the turbo after the engine is turned off. No electrical parts, no engine running, just oil seeping through the turbo lubing it until it stops and cooling it until the reservoir is empty. can be had in two different sizes and provides up to five minutes of after-lubing/cooling after shut-off.
As i said, no electriacal parts, just plumbs into the oil line to the turbo, and don't enterfere with any alarms.
The company is GIK Turbo, http://www.gikturbo.se , go straight to this page (PDF): http://www.gikturbo.se/sm%F6rjsystem.pdf
Unfortunately they don't have an english version of their site, but there should be companies elsewhere who has them too.

totto wrote:

bogged wrote:
its illegal to leave the car with the engine running on the TTimer anyway.......

In my part of the world there's a swedish company selling what they call a "turbo-saver" that is actually an oil reservoir that fills up while the endgine is running and then slowly empties itself throught the turbo after the engine is turned off. No electrical parts, no engine running, just oil seeping through the turbo lubing it until it stops and cooling it until the reservoir is empty. can be had in two different sizes and provides up to five minutes of after-lubing/cooling after shut-off.
As i said, no electriacal parts, just plumbs into the oil line to the turbo, and don't enterfere with any alarms.
The company is GIK Turbo, http://www.gikturbo.se , go straight to this page (PDF): http://www.gikturbo.se/sm%F6rjsystem.pdf
Unfortunately they don't have an english version of their site, but there should be companies elsewhere who has them too.

This is the biggest misconception about turbos, people think leaving the engine to idle is to let the turbo cool down but this is wrong. It is to let the turbo wind down.
Think about it, drive up a hill flat out on full boost, turbo is spinning at max revs, say 30,000 rpm, then switch it straight off. As the turbo has no mechanical means of operation it is still spinning at the aforementioned RPM & takes a while to stop. As the engine is not running then there is no oil pressure so damage to the bearings is the result. The temperature of the turbo doesnt come into it. What Totto wrote is one way to prevent this problem the other way is to let the engine idle for a short time before swithching off as the exhaust gasses slow the turbo to a more respectable speed.

My mk Turbo did 330000 before I sold it & it never had a turbo replacement. My procedure for shut down was to not rev the vehicle hard while driving up my street (200m) & then let it idle for about 30 seconds to a minute before switching off. Leaving it to run for 5 minutes is a waste of fuel & doesnt acheive anything.

Same as warm up, I never run any of my engines in the driveway until they reach operationg temp as in winter here in Canberra they dont reach operating temp until you drive them anyway. I run them until the temp guage starts to move & then dont rev them hard until they reach temperature.

All my engines last fine.

mkpatrol wrote:This is the biggest misconception about turbos, people think leaving the engine to idle is to let the turbo cool down but this is wrong. It is to let the turbo wind down.
Think about it, drive up a hill flat out on full boost, turbo is spinning at max revs, say 30,000 rpm, then switch it straight off. As the turbo has no mechanical means of operation it is still spinning at the aforementioned RPM & takes a while to stop. As the engine is not running then there is no oil pressure so damage to the bearings is the result. The temperature of the turbo doesnt come into it. What Totto wrote is one way to prevent this problem the other way is to let the engine idle for a short time before swithching off as the exhaust gasses slow the turbo to a more respectable speed.

Have to disagree with that.... For a start how long do you think a turbo will keep spinning on a petrol engine with the throttle butterfly closed?? It can't- that's why people install blow-off valves (so the turbo doesn't stall as the throttle is closed for gear changes).

The reason for idling them is to allow the bearings to cool down and prevent heat soak and burning the oil off the bearings. Otherwise next time you start there's no oil on the bearings.

If you are running your turbo so hot to heat soak your bearings then you have to look at the way the turbo is cooled. Most standard engines only run oil cooling but once you modify the engine then the heat tolerences become much higher. Water cooling is a much better system in this instance as its thermal efficiency is much better for the application.

On standard deisel & peterol engines the turbos are not subjected to the same stresses and oil cooling works just fine. You would definately get heat soak if there is no oil on the bearings as the bearings rely on oil pressure to supply fresh oil.

30,000rpm + no oil pressure = high friction, heat & bearing damage.

You would be less likely to get bearing damage from just a hot turbo (standard engine).

If there was a major problem with heat the manufacturers would design turbos differently.

Once an engine is modified then most of what I have siad goes out the window because of the heat & stresses created by racing.

Blow off valves are a bit of a wank, they virtually do nothing for a standard engine , sometimes they actually make them less powerful. They are better suited to racing applications.

J Top wrote:Your kid would have to have their foot on the brake as well to get it out of park.

not all cars need foot on brake to get D

murcod wrote:

mkpatrol wrote:This is the biggest misconception about turbos, people think leaving the engine to idle is to let the turbo cool down but this is wrong. It is to let the turbo wind down.
Think about it, drive up a hill flat out on full boost, turbo is spinning at max revs, say 30,000 rpm, then switch it straight off. As the turbo has no mechanical means of operation it is still spinning at the aforementioned RPM & takes a while to stop. As the engine is not running then there is no oil pressure so damage to the bearings is the result. The temperature of the turbo doesnt come into it. What Totto wrote is one way to prevent this problem the other way is to let the engine idle for a short time before swithching off as the exhaust gasses slow the turbo to a more respectable speed.

Have to disagree with that.... For a start how long do you think a turbo will keep spinning on a petrol engine with the throttle butterfly closed?? It can't- that's why people install blow-off valves (so the turbo doesn't stall as the throttle is closed for gear changes).

The reason for idling them is to allow the bearings to cool down and prevent heat soak and burning the oil off the bearings. Otherwise next time you start there's no oil on the bearings.

I agree with letting it cool down

if it was to let it SPIN DOWN, why on earth do turbo timers have 5 minute settings? Does your turbo spin at the speed of light or something?

Question Bogged & Murcod, are you involved in the automotive industry. I am not trying to be a smart alec just looking for some background as to who Im talking to.