Outer Limits 4x4 Board

well seeming there are no pictures looking through threads is almost useless.
What should i do first off???
*Rotate front axle like what was done to screwy's?And by how much?
*What is the best way to do the steering?What do i have to do...
*and also i would like to do a shackle reversal on the front, what are the advantages / disadvantages etc...
*moving spring mounts????
*Should i keep my bodylift??? it is 3" after all, but fuel tank and side rails are made to suit


I plan on doing this at the start of next year, but if i could start working on parts like steering now then i might

Ill talk to ya bout this on msn

My front diff is rotated 7 degrees up on the pinion, though im my opinion, you probably dont really need to worry about the front.
The rear is the killer.

My rear is way bad now, actually shocking.
We rotated it to suit my high sitting leaves, now that ive reduced my leave packs, she is sitting 'Broken Back' ( pinion higher than shaft angle ), by quite a large amount
But it fixes itself up when down traveling.

Reverse shackle has good and bad reports, i personally am not going to bother for the moment, ill see how she drives as is and if i get keen will do it in a few months..................
its not a difficult job if u brace the mounts properly otherwise u will find they WILL snap off.

Make sure u get ur front caster done correctly to suit the shackle reveral.
There is a bloke local up here with a red lifted hilux and he has shackle reversal and his front pinion is angling towards the ground something fierce.............................. Leaks oil out pinion seal all the time

screwy

Screwy, Hiluxes have a shackle reversal as standard.

This is the easiest way that ive done a knuckel cut/rotate.

2nd post down

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15886&highlight=spring

there is so much information on the net its not funny. Just look up fj40 and 60 series articles as its same as patrol.

ive almost finished my shackle reversal. If i were to do it again it would take me less than a day. Should turn out good.

still doing spring over. its been like 3 months since i started. Lots of little problems keep poping up.

Be good once im finshed. I will put up shitloads of photos and info.

V8 patrol knows all.

Gotta get ta work .........



chat later

Kingy

Big Red Toy wrote:well seeming there are no pictures looking through threads is almost useless.

Ask for pics to be emailed !
I will shortly begin updating the "**__ V8Patroll __** thread in the members section and reloading all the pics to the relevant posts, unfortunately there are weeks of photo resizing and uploading to be done so it will be a slow process to begin with.

Big Red Toy wrote:What should I do first off???
*Rotate front axle like what was done to screwy's?And by how much?

Chaos4x4 was doing an "exchange front diff" for around the $350 mark + freight, there are pics at their website ..... checkout the Bible or
http://www.chaos4x4.com.au/
I have tried various castor angles and believe that for the majority of users 7 - 9 degrees castor is the go and depends slightly on the engine weight sitting above the front end swell as whether the rig has power steering or not and whether the power steering has been re ratioed or not.

Big Red Toy wrote:*What is the best way to do the steering?What do I have to do...

Again have a look at the Chaos 4x4 site, the steering setup they do is what ya want but it can be achieved for much less money, you'll have to ask around ( ppl like Dr frankenstien did his own arms etc )
http://www.chaos4x4.com.au/
http://www.offroadindustries.com/steering.htm
http://store.snakeracing.com.au/cache/i ... l?cache=no

Big Red Toy wrote:*and also I would like to do a shackle reversal on the front, what are the advantages / disadvantages etc..

Again the bible has the good word here, research my friend and then make up ya own mind, personally its not worth the hassle.
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=22835

Big Red Toy wrote:*moving spring mounts????

as above

Big Red Toy wrote:*Should I keep my bodylift??? it is 3" after all, but fuel tank and side rails are made to suit

The 3" lift combined with an SOA will allow you to fit and clear 38"swampers. Besides as you said everything is already made to suit the lift you have so why have the added hassle of having to get a new B/bar & side steps ?

Big Red Toy wrote:I plan on doing this at the start of next year, but if I could start working on parts like steering now then I might

Its the odd stuff that costs......
Extended brake lines----------------------- allow $160 for the 2 of em
Lengthened & rebalanced tailshafts ------ allow $150 per shaft
Crossmember modifications --------------- allow $150 for a "stretched unit"

then threes the ........
new spring perches, new shocker mounts, extended swaybar bolts/tubes,
U bolts, self centring steering damper, 4 new shockers to suit, & a set of new 35" tyres !!!

For things like your brake lines get to a wreckers & grab an old set then they can be lengthened to suit and stored long before you start the project, Its the brakeline ends that the guy will want so that when they are lengthened they will bolt straight back in once the SOA is done.
U bolts are also an item to get at the wreckers.

The tailshaft lengthening can also be under way once you have the rig sitting back on the diffs, here's a tip ..... get a rear shaft from a LWB MQ and have it shortened ( shortening a shaft is cheaper then lengthening one )

FIND AN ENGINEER NOW
Getting it engineered will be a lot easier if you have good open communications with an engineer well before you start. He will no doubt give good advice as to the "Hows & Whys" of the way things should be done. It will also make his job easier when it comes time to get it engineered and therefore cost much less in both time and money.

Kingy

wow
thanks kingy
lots of good info, the stuff i needed to know

just a little point worth checking, although i did extend both my brake lines, there was coiled up copper brake line already on my truck. This means you can just lower the mounting point where your flexible hose joins to your truck without getting flexible lines extended. Dr. Frankenstine put me onto this.

Cut and shunt a tie rod, makes for a great drag link.

Ubolts are pretty cheap to buy new so I wouldn't bother chasing the wreckers. The new ones are heaps chunkier also. I think i may also have heard somewhere that ubolts should be replaced if fitting new springs, would that mean they wear out? Hit the oldies with the gas axe i recon.

If you know someone with access to a hydrolic bench press, bend up your own hi-steer arm. Cheezy will drill the tapper in it for you for chips. New arms cost $400+. Not much to them.

hope it helps,

cheers

Rosey wrote:just a little point worth checking, although i did extend both my brake lines, there was coiled up copper brake line already on my truck. This means you can just lower the mounting point where your flexible hose joins to your truck without getting flexible lines extended. Dr. Frankenstine put me onto this.

The greatest problem with this is metal fatiuge, eventually the brakeline will crack from the vibration that is receives from being unsuported.....been there, done that , and guess when it decided to brake, yep 1/2 way down a bloody great greasy surfaced hill. Bit like riding down a baby oil covered slide on a sheet of plastic !

If your going to do the job then do it right

Kingy

MKPatrolGuy wrote:Screwy, Hiluxes have a shackle reversal as standard.

i coulda sworne my LN46 i used to have had shackles on the front.....
o well, my bad

screwy

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:i coulda sworne my LN46 i used to have had shackles on the front.....

That was back in the days when ya were just a boy and knew no better, now ya drive a Nissan and have grown up so ofcourse such silly things like remembering toyota shit is unimportant.

This post is proudly brought to you by a staunch toyota hater

Wish people would stop talking about SPOA conversions - I have the complete setup for SPOA with the diffs done, extended shafts, steering etc etcetc all just sitting in my garage and they mock me constantly when ever I open that garage door.... they whine "go-on, put us under the Chev, you know you want to - imagine all the fun you can have driving over peoples cars at the lights and looking down on people in summer, just imagine the beach with the bikini's and seatbelts.... you know you wanna fit us - it will only take a day... you know you want the articulation and it will give you the excuse to go for bigger rubber.... you know you want too......"

At this point I run screaming from garage and put it all up for sale on outerlimits to get revenge...

It would be goooooood but - I could put it on my diesel to see how it looks I guess.... Just once...

Cheers

Mark

the choas website is not working.

im after a soa kit for a mq purely a bush Scanas. can any one help where to buy a kit searched and cant only find choas 4x4 but there site does not work ??

aaron

money_killer wrote:the choas website is not working.

im after a soa kit for a mq purely a bush .. can any one help where to buy a kit searched and cant only find choas 4x4 but there site does not work ??

aaron

YURI 4x4

Screwy wrote:

money_killer wrote:the choas website is not working.

im after a soa kit for a mq purely a bush .. can any one help where to buy a kit searched and cant only find choas 4x4 but there site does not work ??

aaron

YURI 4x4

ok thanks will shoot them an email