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link it !!!!!
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:27 pm
by hypo
well im gunna link the rear of my POS.
wanna know if i run a double triangulated 4 link ( lowers = /\ uppers = \/)
will i b able 2 run 1/4 elliptic springs ?? or wil they interfere wif the links 2 much ??
not interested about coils at this stage so dont even bother sayin it
Re: link it !!!!!
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:32 pm
by Surfection
hypolux wrote:well im gunna link the rear of my POS.
wanna know if i run a double triangulated 4 link ( lowers = /\ uppers = \/)
will i b able 2 run 1/4 elliptic springs ?? or wil they interfere wif the links 2 much ??
not interested about coils at this stage so dont even bother sayin it
1/4 elliptic = :vomit:
Don't see why it won't work dude, with the lowers triangulated as well you can get away with less on the uppers, allowing you to mount the springs right out near the discs, and the upper link mounts just inside of them.
YMMV
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:06 pm
by hypo
yeah was thinkin same.....
plan on mountin the springs on the outside of the frame rail coz the axle should be wide enuf 2 allow it but the tape will tell wen i start measurin.
and yeah i know not alot of people run 1/4 but i like bein different
Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:29 pm
by POS
Ben, i know you said don't even mention Coils, but why???
Is it the cost or is it that 1/4 elliptic is better??
Just curious!
Back to your question, i can't see why it wouldn't work. It won't interfere as long as where the lowers attach to the diff is slightly inside where the springs attach!
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:56 am
by hypo
POS wrote:Ben, i know you said don't even mention Coils, but why???
Is it the cost or is it that 1/4 elliptic is better??
Just curious!
Back to your question, i can't see why it wouldn't work. It won't interfere as long as where the lowers attach to the diff is slightly inside where the springs attach!
like i say i just like 2 b different and i have had great succuess setting up leaves in my rig b4 and i think i will b able 2 setup a 1/4 elliptic spring just as well if not better, and the other thing is all the link geometry will b setup and done and if the 1/4 setup dont work out like i want after i play around wif the springs a few times then ill swap in some coils
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:04 am
by redzook
is it booger weldz? on pirate that owns that maroon extra cab?
it is 4 linked with 1/4 works really well from the pics i have seen
and i think he runs the 1/4 spring under the frame
pos,
it should be alot easier to get the right spring rate with the 1/4 eleptic as aposed to coils how many rigs to u see that are linked in the back with coils and the rear is complety flexed b4 the front even moves
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:11 am
by hypo
yes seen that one.
dont wanna run springs under frame coz the will act as a big anchor like the springer mounts that r on it now do,as well as havin them outboarded that much it will help wif stability
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:44 am
by bru21
it might bind. just noticed how much my a frame walks, and can't see why 4 link wouldn't be the same. i would run two lateral links (angled ones on a normal 4 link set up) and a tramp arm.
cheers bru
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:27 am
by Wendle
it'll work well hypo.
get the springs outboard as far as is practical, and get the lowers as far inboard at the chassis end as you can get away with.
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:32 am
by Wendle
bru21 wrote:it might bind. just noticed how much my a frame walks, and can't see why 4 link wouldn't be the same. i would run two lateral links (angled ones on a normal 4 link set up) and a tramp arm.
cheers bru
do you have standard lower links on your rig? if so, that is what is causing your problem. the geometry they are based around works well with the factory 5-link, but as soon as you put an a-frame in there, the roll axis is up the shit.
if the setup you are describing with the tramp arm is what i think it is, it won't work with 1/4 elliptic springs. but i might not be reading it right either?
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:34 am
by Midget
Hypo
Just wondering why you want to do this???
1/4 eliptic works well but has no way of holding the back of the rig down when going down some real steep stuff,The rear will just want to go over the top off you.
Let alone it will make your rig so unstable form i have seen looking at a few rigs that have it.They just want to turn themselves inside out all the time.
If i were you i would wait a little longer and go the way of coils.
Just my 2cents worth.
Jamie
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:28 am
by POS
redzook wrote:is it booger weldz? on pirate that owns that maroon extra cab?
it is 4 linked with 1/4 works really well from the pics i have seen
and i think he runs the 1/4 spring under the frame
pos,
it should be alot easier to get the right spring rate with the 1/4 eleptic as aposed to coils how many rigs to u see that are linked in the back with coils and the rear is complety flexed b4 the front even moves
I don't see how this is a concern, if a rig does that with coils then its going to do the same with 1/4 elliptic. Just means you need to find the right coil. Another reason why some rigs with coils are unbalanced is due to the fact they are totally focused on flex and do not reatain the coils!!!!
Take Tony's Snot Lux and the POS, if anyone says that they were un-balanced then they need glasses. Also the first set of Springs i put in were spot on, with tony's i think he had two set's to get it right.
HYPO i am by no meens saying not to do a 1/4 elliptic, you own the car and its your $$$, do what you want, i was just curious thats all.
Its also OK to be different, just as Scott!
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:20 am
by Surfection
Fourwheelin wrote:1/4 eliptic works well but has no way of holding the back of the rig down when going down some real steep stuff,The rear will just want to go over the top off you
I guess one way to combat this would be to run a hefty limiting strap [center of axle] that has only a small amount of slack so 50% +/- of the time it'd be holding you at ride height, and the diff would sort of pivot around it....
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:04 pm
by Guy
Surfection wrote:Fourwheelin wrote:1/4 eliptic works well but has no way of holding the back of the rig down when going down some real steep stuff,The rear will just want to go over the top off you
I guess one way to combat this would be to run a hefty limiting strap [center of axle] that has only a small amount of slack so 50% +/- of the time it'd be holding you at ride height, and the diff would sort of pivot around it....
Alot of the guys that have the insanley long coilovers see to do this as well from whatI hve read they run the strap with some preload as it seems to handle better as well ..
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:18 pm
by 1MadEngineer
you are Grimace!
be different, sure. but dont be stupid!
Next you will be tellin us you are puttin IFS in it?
just put coilovers or air shocks in it and do it right.
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:36 pm
by redzook
why is every one baggin 1/4 eleptic?
he isnt talkin bout haveing that gay pivioting 1/4 eleptic it will be solid mounted
he has shit loads of leafs so he would be able to get the right spring rate
alot cheaper then coils
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:41 pm
by 1MadEngineer
redzook wrote:why is every one baggin 1/4 eleptic?
he isnt talkin bout haveing that gay pivioting 1/4 eleptic it will be solid mounted
he has shit loads of leafs so he would be able to get the right spring rate
alot cheaper then coils
built the whole 4 link in BeeBee's for under $700
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:44 pm
by redzook
1MadEngineer wrote:redzook wrote:why is every one baggin 1/4 eleptic?
he isnt talkin bout haveing that gay pivioting 1/4 eleptic it will be solid mounted
he has shit loads of leafs so he would be able to get the right spring rate
alot cheaper then coils
built the whole 4 link in BeeBee's for under $700
whats your point?
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:45 pm
by POS
redzook wrote:why is every one baggin 1/4 eleptic?
he isnt talkin bout haveing that gay pivioting 1/4 eleptic it will be solid mounted
he has shit loads of leafs so he would be able to get the right spring rate
alot cheaper then coils
I'm not bagging it, just curious why the big offensive against coils, If you ask me coils are heaps easier to set up and looks more legal!!!! But if he's got the springs there then he might aswell use them!
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:48 pm
by redzook
POS wrote:redzook wrote:why is every one baggin 1/4 eleptic?
he isnt talkin bout haveing that gay pivioting 1/4 eleptic it will be solid mounted
he has shit loads of leafs so he would be able to get the right spring rate
alot cheaper then coils
I'm not bagging it, just curious why the big offensive against coils, If you ask me coils are heaps easier to set up and looks more legal!!!! But if he's got the springs there then he might aswell use them!
i think dave's is enginnered?
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:02 pm
by 1MadEngineer
yep, think that cost another $180 which included testing the links
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:18 pm
by Surfection
redzook wrote:POS wrote:redzook wrote:why is every one baggin 1/4 eleptic?
he isnt talkin bout haveing that gay pivioting 1/4 eleptic it will be solid mounted
he has shit loads of leafs so he would be able to get the right spring rate
alot cheaper then coils
I'm not bagging it, just curious why the big offensive against coils, If you ask me coils are heaps easier to set up and looks more legal!!!! But if he's got the springs there then he might aswell use them!
i think dave's is enginnered?
Hypo is half the reason you don't wanna do coils cause you'll have to mount them inboard of the frame to keep a good ride height, meaning coils quite close to the center of your axle, meaning a less stable setup ?
I wish you all the best, you know i'm here to help if you need it, but i don't think you'll get it to work as effectively as you could a coil setup
[The more we tell him it won't work, the more he's gonna be convinced he can make it work, so everyone tell him it's shit so he spends six months proving us wrong
]
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:24 pm
by gurumon
1MadEngineer wrote:built the whole 4 link in BeeBee's for under $700
cool.... wanna do mine?
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:12 pm
by RUFF
Surfection wrote: [The more we tell him it won't work, the more he's gonna be convinced he can make it work, so everyone tell him it's shit so he spends six months proving us wrong
]
Just like i told him not to go with the GQ diffs cause it wont fix his CV problems
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:15 pm
by RUFF
Surfection wrote:Hypo is half the reason you don't wanna do coils cause you'll have to mount them inboard of the frame to keep a good ride height, meaning coils quite close to the center of your axle, meaning a less stable setup ?
I wish you all the best, you know i'm here to help if you need it, but i don't think you'll get it to work as effectively as you could a coil setup
You can still mount them under the frame with no problems at all. I mounted mine under the frame but also mounted them behind the axle to overcome the clearance problems. There is no reason they need to be mounted on top of the axle housing.
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:20 pm
by RUFF
Your going to spend a hell of a lot more time trying to set up 1/4 then going with coils. And its a hell of a lot easier working out Spring rates with coils than it is with leaves.
But if you want to spend another 12 months trying to get this set up right its all up to you.
How much have you wheeled this thing in the past 12 months?
Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:52 pm
by OVERKILL ENG
Fourwheelin wrote:Hypo
Just wondering why you want to do this???
1/4 eliptic works well but has no way of holding the back of the rig down when going down some real steep stuff,The rear will just want to go over the top off you.
Let alone it will make your rig so unstable form i have seen looking at a few rigs that have it.They just want to turn themselves inside out all the time.
If i were you i would wait a little longer and go the way of coils.
Just my 2cents worth.
Jamie
Jamie do you have a clue what you are saying your buggy is way more unstable than what mine was and how does it want to tip you over going down hills any type off spring setup has a certain amount push on down hill situations.
A good 1/4 setup is as good as any other system around and it is easier to play with different amount of leaves than buying a new set of coils everytime you want to try a new rate.
Go for it Hypo give it a go.
SAM
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:03 am
by hypo
Fourwheelin wrote:Hypo
Just wondering why you want to do this??? like i say up top i wanna b different, i mean coils might work but thats 2 easy, i like tinkerin around and gettin it all setup how I want it
1/4 eliptic works well but has no way of holding the back of the rig down when going down some real steep stuff,The rear will just want to go over the top off you. no more than your POS wood if u dont have a limitin strap on it, the plan is 2 have a winch out back so i can winch it down 2 get it stable or wotever and it will act as a limiting strap so i totally disagree
Let alone it will make your rig so unstable form i have seen looking at a few rigs that have it.They just want to turn themselves inside out all the time.
most setups have the front of the spring bolted so that it swings away from chassis easy but it dont work, like u say it makes them unstable, ill b mountin them solid at the top end and this will make it more stable as well as i plan on runnin the springs way out on the out side of the chassis rail which will also make it more stable
If i were you i would wait a little longer and go the way of coils.
Just my 2cents worth.
Jamie
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:13 am
by hypo
i dont want coils plan an simple if i wated 2 do wot every 1 else does i wood have takin my rig 2 a 4x4 shop and got coils dopne like very1 else does, wots the point of havin something that every1 else has, i like my rig 2 b different than every1 else
and yeah if it takes more 2 setup then so b it like i say i dont mind tinkerin arouind wif it 2 fine tune it how i want, an i wasnt askin every ones opinion on if they like or or not so give it a break
and i know i can link the rear of mine 4 well under $700 and get it engineered, and even if i could afford coil overs or air shox i woodt run them......
Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:15 am
by hypo
RUFF wrote:Surfection wrote: [The more we tell him it won't work, the more he's gonna be convinced he can make it work, so everyone tell him it's shit so he spends six months proving us wrong
]
Just like i told him not to go with the GQ diffs cause it wont fix his CV problems
yeah but at least it has fixed my prob of breakin crown an pinions all the time