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Broke both CV's out Ormeau today and now want to get Longfields, Profields etc, which are the best and where can i get them new in Qld?

Are they really 'unbreakable' , do they come with a warranty?

Cheers Chris

keep us updated once you get them, as i'd be interested to put some in aswell.

Ruff was making some strengthened CVs.
Dont know if he is still doing them but apparently they are good stuff and I reckon you should support the local blokes first.
Otherwise you can buy Longs from Snake racing or import them yourself for about 1/2 the price.
Paul.

Ok, Longfields are really good stuff!

Ruff was the first to run them in Australia, then myself and BJ got some straight from the states!

We ran them on some wicked tracks with big tyres with great results! Both myself and BJ busted one each and they were replaced under warrenty from Bobby Long, however he no longer offers any warrenty!

They were the first style, they had a ring welded on them for added strenght!

Then Bobb yLong came out with a newer design that was meant to be stronger and allow a tighter turning radius. In my opinion and by also reading Pirate, these never seemed to be as strong as his first ones! He no longer welds the ring on, just a heat treating process!!!

He has now brought out these new ones that are Fully machined from 4340 Chromoloy with 300m star. They are meant to be as strong as a Stock Dana 60 which is pretty bloody strong. But they are only very new and yet quite unproven in real world wheeling! But i think these are the go!

You could try Brett Grimrod @ C.O.R.E (Custom Off Road Engineering) he does make a few stronger CV's!

And then Sam and Ruff at Haultech are mucking around with stock ones! We, that is Me, Sam, Ruff, Beebee all run these with a pretty good success rate, Yes we still bust them but they are heaps stronger. I am not to sure though if they are ready to be realeased for sale!

All in all, if i was wanting the best i would get a set of the Longfield Chromo's. Myself and Ruff will more than likely be purchasing a set of these within the next few months, we am just waiting to hear how they go over in the states first!

Also it works out farking heaps cheaper if you import them yourself, Snake Racing does sell them but is way way way over priced!!

Heres a Link to Bobby Long website!

http://www.longfieldsuperaxles.com/

think i saw Superior Engineering selling profields for $350 each

PROFIELD
We are now supplying Australia with the worlds best replacement birfield. Forget the rest because these are the best, these little beauty's have been put through a highly advanced heat treating and cryogenic freezing process by jack graef of CTM RACING in CA United States.

If you are sick and tired of replacing standard CV's then these are for you.


To suit Toyota hilux $350 each


http://www.superiorengineering.com.au/p ... m#profield

So your saying that they are better than the 4340 Longfields!!

Thats a Big Call!!!!

phippsy wrote:worlds best replacement birfield.

Any evidence to back this up?

Oh i see you just pasted it from there site!!!

I can't see how they say they are the best!

Here are some links to Pirate that may help you choose!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... =PROFIELDS

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... =PROFIELDS

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... =PROFIELDS

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... =PROFIELDS

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... =PROFIELDS

Profields longfields very similar, I havr profileds now.

$290.00 a pair air freight to my door.

the best option now would be the longfield chro mo's.

will be importing a set at a later date.

Michael.

phippsy wrote: the worlds best replacement birfield. Forget the rest because these are the best,

After reading the threads you posted POS I can't understand how they can still be claiming this and get away with it. Don't they have laws against false or misleading advertising in the US???

HSV Rangie wrote:Profields longfields very similar, I havr profileds now.

$290.00 a pair air freight to my door.

the best option now would be the longfield chro mo's.

will be importing a set at a later date.

Michael.

Thats a half decent price, for a pair! For that sort of money they would be worth it!

Yeah the $$ was pretty good against the US $ then.

still cheap to import them.

I believe the new Chro mo are $205.00 US each.

not to bad either.

Michael.

HSV Rangie wrote:Profields longfields very similar, I havr profileds now.

$290.00 a pair air freight to my door.

the best option now would be the longfield chro mo's.

will be importing a set at a later date.

Michael.

This would have been when they first came out and the Birf war was running. They have gone up in price since.

I havent heard many good reports on the Profields. The Bellfields allthough not a lot are out there have had great results. These are available from Marlin Crawler.

We have our own heat treated CVs that we can supply this week for $500 the pair. There is no warrenty on these. I dont beleive any treated CV available at the moment has any warrenty. Everything can be broken.

Sorry i just looked and the Pro fields are still only $99US from Allpro Offroad.

POS wrote:Oh i see you just pasted it from there site!!!

I can't see how they say they are the best!

sorry, yeah cut n paste

HSV Rangie wrote:Yeah the $$ was pretty good against the US $ then.

still cheap to import them.

I believe the new Chro mo are $205.00 US each.

not to bad either.

Michael.

Yes i think the new Chromos are a Good price for what you get!

I have thought about which way i will go between the 30 Spline and the 27 Spline!

The whole reason for the 30 Spline axle is due to the fact that the New 27 Spline Long with a Chomo is meant to break the Chromo axle first, so the upgrade is the 30 Spline axle!

Thats all well and good but the way i look at it this way!

If you get the 30 Sline Set-up you are more than likly going to bust the CV before the axle, and it is also likely that the Star will bust meaning that the Splines on the axle will be farked anyway.

Where as with the 27 Spline set-up you are more likly to snap a 27 Spline Chromo axle before poping the CV.

So instead of having to replace a CV and Axle (30 Spline) you would only have to replace the Axle (27 Spline).

Also another reason i will be getting the 27 Spline set-up is so when you do break an Axle you can just throw a stock axle in to get you buy. Where as with the 30 Spline (if you did only break the axle and the CV is still OK) then you would have to wait and get one from the States OR get two sets of Axles on the initial purchase!

POS wrote:
If you get the 30 Sline Set-up you are more than likly going to bust the CV before the axle,

Where as with the 27 Spline set-up you are more likly to snap a 27 Spline Chromo axle before poping the CV.

So instead of having to replace a CV and Axle (30 Spline) you would only have to replace the Axle (27 Spline).

you would have to wait and get one from the States OR get two sets of Axles on the initial purchase!

As I understand it there haven't been any reported breakages of them so far - so we don't know what will break. From the initial pics on pirate, it looks like the stars and cages start to mushroom, and if you pull the shafts regularly you may be able to catch them before they get too bad and replace them.

Surely you can get Jac-Mac to make 30 spline axles for you if you break an axle - rather then buying them from the states - or do you think Bobby's axles are better?.

ISUZUROVER wrote:

POS wrote:
If you get the 30 Sline Set-up you are more than likly going to bust the CV before the axle,

Where as with the 27 Spline set-up you are more likly to snap a 27 Spline Chromo axle before poping the CV.

So instead of having to replace a CV and Axle (30 Spline) you would only have to replace the Axle (27 Spline).

you would have to wait and get one from the States OR get two sets of Axles on the initial purchase!

As I understand it there haven't been any reported breakages of them so far - so we don't know what will break. From the initial pics on pirate, it looks like the stars and cages start to mushroom, and if you pull the shafts regularly you may be able to catch them before they get too bad and replace them.

Surely you can get Jac-Mac to make 30 spline axles for you if you break an axle - rather then buying them from the states - or do you think Bobby's axles are better?.

Yeah, this is just the way i see them busting if anything does bust!

I have also thought that to about buying spare stars and replace them regularly!

I am sure you could get Jac Mac to make them, but i always like to rely on having the ability to replace them (mainly in a COMP situation) with what i have on hand! As with anything that you get made Custom there is always a turn around time. But yes that is an option!

that's a pain that they don't warranty them anymore.
I'll do some more searching at work with cable net. Thanks for the responses guys.
I'm upgrading to 37's soon so i don't want to be killing CV's all the time.
Hey Ruff would your strengthened CV's be the go for me, i don't think i can wait to get some U.S. made ones sent out?

Were u running them in your green lux with the 38's?

Chris

POS wrote:

HSV Rangie wrote:Yeah the $$ was pretty good against the US $ then.

still cheap to import them.

I believe the new Chro mo are $205.00 US each.

not to bad either.

Michael.

Yes i think the new Chromos are a Good price for what you get!

I have thought about which way i will go between the 30 Spline and the 27 Spline!

The whole reason for the 30 Spline axle is due to the fact that the New 27 Spline Long with a Chomo is meant to break the Chromo axle first, so the upgrade is the 30 Spline axle!

Thats all well and good but the way i look at it this way!

If you get the 30 Sline Set-up you are more than likly going to bust the CV before the axle, and it is also likely that the Star will bust meaning that the Splines on the axle will be farked anyway.

Where as with the 27 Spline set-up you are more likly to snap a 27 Spline Chromo axle before poping the CV.

So instead of having to replace a CV and Axle (30 Spline) you would only have to replace the Axle (27 Spline).

Also another reason i will be getting the 27 Spline set-up is so when you do break an Axle you can just throw a stock axle in to get you buy. Where as with the 30 Spline (if you did only break the axle and the CV is still OK) then you would have to wait and get one from the States OR get two sets of Axles on the initial purchase!

From what I have read and the way that I understand it, the 30 spline star is wider than the 27 spline star making it stronger.

Also the 30 spline star has a groove for the spring clip so it locates the inner axle in both axial directions and does not require a tack weld on the axle at the diff end or a shoulder at the cv end.

Time will tell if the 30 spline longfield and axle is stronger, but his test machine results look that way.

roc70y wrote:that's a pain that they don't warranty them anymore.
I'll do some more searching at work with cable net. Thanks for the responses guys.
I'm upgrading to 37's soon so i don't want to be killing CV's all the time.
Hey Ruff would your strengthened CV's be the go for me, i don't think i can wait to get some U.S. made ones sent out?

Were u running them in your green lux with the 38's?

Chris

There has been no warrenty on these for well over a year or so!

At first it was a concern, now i realise that even if you spend $1000.00 you get every penny of that back when you go out wheeling and not bust anything!

Bush65 wrote:From what I have read and the way that I understand it, the 30 spline star is wider than the 27 spline star making it stronger.

Also the 30 spline star has a groove for the spring clip so it locates the inner axle in both axial directions and does not require a tack weld on the axle at the diff end or a shoulder at the cv end.

Time will tell if the 30 spline longfield and axle is stronger, but his test machine results look that way.

His test machine also showed that the second gen longfields were stronger than the ones with the rings welded on them. Appently they are meant to be stronger but there seems to be a lot more failures with the second gen's! I don't really go to much by the test results, i am just keeping my eye on Pirate and reading the real world wheeling reports! In a few months i will most likly get some then!

I am also NOT saying that the 27 Spline Axle and CV is stronger than the 30 Spline. I am saying for my use in a comp buggy the 27 Spline seems to be a more practical and better $$$$ choice.

One of the biggest factors is that with the drive trains that we can access here in Australia (for a affordable amount) will always have a WEAK point!

For me when i am out wheeling (NON-Comp) i will swap the Chromo axles out but leave the CV's in but use stock axles. this way when i break i KNOW it will be the axle (cheap fix and the CV should still be OK)! It takes a fair bit to break a axle, even in our standards!!!

Like i have said many times this is just for me and the way i will do it! For the majority you will not break a 30 Spline set-up!

roc70y wrote:that's a pain that they don't warranty them anymore.
I'll do some more searching at work with cable net. Thanks for the responses guys.
I'm upgrading to 37's soon so i don't want to be killing CV's all the time.
Hey Ruff would your strengthened CV's be the go for me, i don't think i can wait to get some U.S. made ones sent out?

Were u running them in your green lux with the 38's?

Chris

Yes i was runing them at xrcc at offroad Expo. I also run these in my buggy as do Sam,Adrian,83lux and Beebee. They should be fine for your set up. But as i have said everything can be broken so we dont warrenty them. But if you break one straight up we will look after you as much as we can.

I ran a set of the new Longfields(not Cromo) in Sams Buggy at QRock and the first one lasted about 15mtrs and 3minutes and the second made one course and about 15min. With the HTE CVs we are generaly getting through a complete competition without a breakage.

RUFF wrote:Yes i was runing them at xrcc at offroad Expo. I also run these in my buggy as do Sam,Adrian,83lux and Beebee. They should be fine for your set up. But as i have said everything can be broken so we dont warrenty them. But if you break one straight up we will look after you as much as we can.

I ran a set of the new Longfields(not Cromo) in Sams Buggy at QRock and the first one lasted about 15mtrs and 3minutes and the second made one course and about 15min. With the HTE CVs we are generaly getting through a complete competition without a breakage.

YOU GUYS PUT THOSE BUGGIES THROUGH HELL!
I've seen the videos to prove it.
Can i get a set of cv's?

Since may (when i finished the buggy) i have done 4 comps and been trail driving 9 times (we wheel harder in a non comp situation) and i have busted 2 rear 60 series axles, 2 rear pinions, 1 free wheeling hub and only 2 HTE CV'S. That is one hell of a flogging. Every time we go out we would be wheeling harder than what you would have seen at any comp!

The buggy proved most of the terrain for PUOSU without a breakage!!

One of the CV's let go at the same time as one rear axle, now thats strong!

The only reason i am looking at getting Chromo Longs is that they SHOULD be just a little stronger again!

POS wrote:Since may (when i finished the buggy) i have done 4 comps and been trail driving 9 times (we wheel harder in a non comp situation) and i have busted 2 rear 60 series axles, 2 rear pinions, 1 free wheeling hub and only 2 HTE CV'S. That is one hell of a flogging. Every time we go out we would be wheeling harder than what you would have seen at any comp!

The buggy proved most of the terrain for PUOSU without a breakage!!

One of the CV's let go at the same time as one rear axle, now thats strong!

The only reason i am looking at getting Chromo Longs is that they SHOULD be just a little stronger again!

Are you guys running stock inner axles Adrian ? Or are Haultech heat treating [etc] them also ?

Jeremy

i am also looking into the new longs but will be waiting a while, because at the moment i am running the HTE cvs, now i have broken 2 sence christmas, althought this is may seem "bad" i have wheeled the Sh*t out of these cvs they are a hell of a lot stonger then standerd cv and i will continue to run with them until i have proof that the longs are stonger then the one i have now. (i would hope that they are stonger)They are here in oz and i can go down the road and get more.
I am really happy with the HTE cvs and would like to thank sam, tony and the guys from HTE for there support.

Surfection wrote:

POS wrote:Since may (when i finished the buggy) i have done 4 comps and been trail driving 9 times (we wheel harder in a non comp situation) and i have busted 2 rear 60 series axles, 2 rear pinions, 1 free wheeling hub and only 2 HTE CV'S. That is one hell of a flogging. Every time we go out we would be wheeling harder than what you would have seen at any comp!

The buggy proved most of the terrain for PUOSU without a breakage!!

One of the CV's let go at the same time as one rear axle, now thats strong!

The only reason i am looking at getting Chromo Longs is that they SHOULD be just a little stronger again!

Are you guys running stock inner axles Adrian ? Or are Haultech heat treating [etc] them also ?

Jeremy

Just stock ones, however out of the two Cv's i have busted one of the axle had a bad twist in the spline, so it was not far off busting! The other, because the star exploded it ripped the spline of the axle so i could not tell if it was twisted or not!

It takes a fair bit to bust inners, i busted one when i was running the longs!