Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Okay, I know, lots of dumb questions but I've got no-one else to ask

Having a little issue with clearance, my diff knocks off the top off deeper sand ruts. I found the zook goes great over shorter hills but up longer, sustained incline ones I run out of grunt (and momentum) pretty quick.

Now obviously I want bigger tyres, the ones I have are narrow and small, they cut into the ground rather than float over it. I was thinking 31, 32s. I have the money ready to go for a 2" lift and the tyres. I guess I was just curious as to how the bigger tyres will affect me. Obviously they're going to be harder to turn, but then the increased traction would mean I have a chance of crawling up stuff rather than just digging in and sliding back down it... I'll mostly be doing sand driving, and momentum is pretty important, are bigger tyres fully gonna kill my ability to build it up?

get bigger tyres and a rockhopper

gimmie a few weeks to get up to stockton again

i`ll tell you what its like with 26's, 30's and 33's

What were 30s like compared to 26s?

33 is way too big.

chicks dig big meats

I run 32x11.5's they work well on the sand/mud, however i had an old set of BFG All terrains, 205/75/15's and they were excellent on the Sand!
Just a thought

Yeah... I'm not really convinced bigger tyres are going to help me much in sand.

the ol 1.3 just isn't grunty enough to turn em

UNLESS YOU CHANGE THE R&PS OR T-CASE GEARS IT WILL MAKE IT EVEN LESS GRUNTIER..

OldGold wrote:What were 30s like compared to 26s?

33 is way too big.

30's where heaps better, but not big enough

Gonzo, I was under the impression that
A) your car barely moves anymore
B) You change CVs like I change my underpants (say once a week)

Think I might just stick with what I've got and just try grunt the engine up a bit more.

OldGold wrote:Gonzo, I was under the impression that
A) your car barely moves anymore
B) You change CVs like I change my underpants (say once a week)

Think I might just stick with what I've got and just try grunt the engine up a bit more.

At the moment, with 33's the gearing is too high for rockhopping but i think it would be pretty good for beach work - it was a little low with the 30's

CV breakages are due to 3 inches of suspension lift on the CV angle and slamming it hard. That kind of thing doesnt really happen on the beaches...

go for the grunt up sure, but bigger tyres means more floatation and that = less grunt needed...

31's on my 1.6 take all the power on sand.. it needs to be around 4500rpm to hold any speed on hills. go for something tall and skinny unless you got the power to push something wide.. tall and skinny you can let them down low and will work better because wider tyres need to push more sand out of the way.

also something not aggressive in tread pattern..

Ric

After running stockies, then 32X11.5's then 34's the 32's were the best compromise.

But the 34's got me further offroad

for doing sand you need a wide mild tread pattern height isn't as much an issue. You also want to keep the revs up. So if you went to a bigger size you would also need to look at gearing to keep the engine power in the right rev range

i think 31's and s3 go well for the sand

First thing for sand driving you should look at is tire pressure!
I have seen narrow cheese cutter tyres kick ass on sand because the people had em down nice n low.
What pressure do you drop your tyres to?
Not sure what psi is the go for a zook but Im thinking below 10psi.
I drop my lux tyres down to 10-12 for sand and shes a big heavy biatch compared to a zooki.
Paul.

yeah the first time i went beech drivin i was on about 5psi

than when i went again a was lazy and had bout 14 in them

and dam did it make a difference

i pourposely bogged down to both diffs and i could still put it in reverse and get out no worrries

pressure makes shit loads of difference

Ive done a bit of sand driving. I have 31 x 10.5 wrangler mt/r's on 15 x 7 inch rims u can let them down to bout 5psi and they still dont bog out as much as id like for the sand but r good on mud and rocks. I dont have any reduction gears etc but ive found if i rev it 2nd gear low to bout 6000-6500 rpm u can get up some big dunes though when the revs drop it dies in the ass. i recon when i had the stockys on they were better though they bogged down heeps better at low psi and seemed to go through the boggy shit heeps easyer. I dont think bazooked was very happy with his mt/r's on sand ither he had them on 15 x 8's.
Also if your looking for good sand driving go to northcliff i went there a few months back drove down this big ass dune to get to the beach then when we were leaving found there r about 40 tracks going back up the hill but only 1 leads back to the road and the rest lead to trees after about 3 hours gave up looking for the track and decided to drive over the river (1 track in between 2 rivers) lucky 1 river wasnt very deep so we crossed that drove to salmon bay when we got there we had no idea and the one track leading out had a sign private property keep out stick to left of track so we drove around looking for the track on the left after another hour we though screw this and drove though the gate and found out the fucking sign meant stay to the left after you go though this gate but thats not what it said. When we finaly made it back to my mate uncles farm we had been gone for 8 hours and lost for 5 it was great one of the best 4wd adventures ive ever had. Next time ill take a fishing rod and have my gps turned on .

The Apprentice wrote:Ive done a bit of sand driving. I have 31 x 10.5 wrangler mt/r's on 15 x 7 inch rims u can let them down to bout 5psi and they still dont bog out as much as id like for the sand but r good on mud and rocks. I dont have any reduction gears etc but ive found if i rev it 2nd gear low to bout 6000-6500 rpm u can get up some big dunes though when the revs drop it dies in the ass. i recon when i had the stockys on they were better though they bogged down heeps better at low psi and seemed to go through the boggy shit heeps easyer. I dont think bazooked was very happy with his mt/r's on sand ither he had them on 15 x 8's.
Also if your looking for good sand driving go to northcliff i went there a few months back drove down this big ass dune to get to the beach then when we were leaving found there r about 40 tracks going back up the hill but only 1 leads back to the road and the rest lead to trees after about 3 hours gave up looking for the track and decided to drive over the river (1 track in between 2 rivers) lucky 1 river wasnt very deep so we crossed that drove to salmon bay when we got there we had no idea and the one track leading out had a sign private property keep out stick to left of track so we drove around looking for the track on the left after another hour we though screw this and drove though the gate and found out the ***** sign meant stay to the left after you go though this gate but thats not what it said. When we finaly made it back to my mate uncles farm we had been gone for 8 hours and lost for 5 it was great one of the best 4wd adventures ive ever had. Next time ill take a fishing rod and have my gps turned on .

Sounds like your talking about warren beach.
The big dune is called callicup hill (its one long steep sucker for sure)
Then the beach you were on after crossing the river is called malimup and the track out from there does go through private property that you can drive though but the owners reserve the right to close access to (which they do during the winter months every year).
I live in Manjimup so its all practically in my backyard .

OK thats enough hijacking of the thread
Paul.

Yeah I had mine on 20 psi or so, relatively high. I wasn't so much getting bogged, I got along a reasonably soft beach and never looked like getting stuck, just going flat stick in low 2nd for 20 mins got a bit tiring. It was slow going. My secondary is still buggered (why yes, I am lazy!) and I was still blown away by the stuff my lil zook got over... stoked with my buy

ATM looking at headwork for grunt, maybe a weber (I hate vac. sec. carbs), maybe S3 then I'll think about bigger tyres and suspenion/body lift. Hopefully heading out for some mud this wkend, see how we go

OldGold about the webber i really wouldn't go there. I know to guys who put webbers on there sierra's and both have changed back to original because webbers just DIE up steep climbs. If your not going tobe doing any then you will be fine adn they are great Carby's but for Hills dont touch them.

BundyZook wrote:OldGold about the webber i really wouldn't go there. I know to guys who put webbers on there sierra's and both have changed back to original because webbers just DIE up steep climbs. If your not going tobe doing any then you will be fine adn they are great Carby's but for Hills dont touch them.

I had nightmares with the original carb, the 32/36DGV Weber solved all my problems, the thing will run on any angle!

Well as for the beach I reckon you can’t beat stockers! The only thing that helps is getting the stock rims cut and flipped (I got some spares at home if your interested) this way you can stay in the ruts a bit easier. I first went to 29’s which sucked all the power and made it less capable. Now that I have 33’s I seem to just float over everything, but I don’t have enough experience with them on the sand to make a proper judgement.

Calicup hill is fun! Black point is better though.

Cut and flipped? Hey if it's better than stock, I'm interested
My tyres aren't stock but they're close to it, can't remember what they are.

had hell dramas with the carb today... thought it was stuffed but it seems the secondary only opens a fraction, is this normal?

I do most my sand driving at lancelen though the sand up there is hell hard comp to down south and further up north last time i was there, there was a wicked buggy 4 seater crome everything metalic red with metalic silver flames down it must have been some big $$$$ there he was doing wheel stands n shit man id love to own somthing like that.