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here are the pics of the 3b diesel that i have in my yn 65 hilux..
does that make it now a bn65 hilux???

have just finished welding up a manifold to mount a turbo...that should kill the gearbox for sure.

NIIICCEEEE!

I'm amazed at the amount of room left in the engine bay..

how much did that set you back

probably cost me about 2000 all up.
engine was 700. i got heaps of spares with the engine.
my time was the killer, it took me 6 months to do.

May I ask what gearbox and transfer are you using? Is your rear diff offset or centered?

Dave

whats going on with the radiator? fan at front gause at back, or is that an impermeable plate at the back? Nice work on the air-intake/filter

and im trying to work out how the hell i can squeeze a 6cly diesel under the bonnet of a dual cab!

yeh, gearbox is g52, standard centered rear diff, just with an air locker.
now that i have invested in the air locker, i have ruled out the option of a cruiser 5sp/cruiser transfer/cruiser rear diff.
thanks on the air intake.. it is a bj42 radiator with 2x 10" thermo's up front. i only have about 15mm between water pump pulley and radiator.
Is there another gearbox i can bolt in in place of the g52 that is stronger?????

go for it with the 6cyl, wish you good luck
i wanted to do a td42 at first but ruled it out cos of the size.
maybe if you recess the firewall and remove radiator and relocate it in the tray a 6 will fit.

Awesome looking job there..


You could use a R150 or R151F (someone can clarify all the numbers on the end) which are the cruiser and turbo diesel 4runner/surf/bunderra gearboxes.


I think the R151F is the stronger of the 2. Probably go for the 4runner/Surf to maintain centre output rear.

Did u need an adapter kit to bolt the G52 on?

Ferrit - why not go a 13/14/15-BT all are 4 bangers and easier than getting a 6 into a hilux.

Cos of the 6cly diesels TORQUE

1hz is one of the torqueiest motors ive ever driven!

From birfield.com


13-BT 91kw at 3,400 RPM. 280 Nm at 2,000 RPM (3.5lt 4 cyl
15B-FT 114Kw at 3,200 RPM 390 Nm at 1,800 RPM (4.1lt 4 cyl
1HZ 96kw at 4,000 RPM 280 Nm 2,200 RPM (4.2lt 6 cyl
1HD-FTE 152Kw at 3,400 RPM 431Nm at 2,500 RPM (4.2lt DI 6cyl

The 13/15-BT, and 1HD-FTE are direct injection (easier to increase boost and add intercooler), 1HZ is indirect.

You get the same ammount of torque from the 13-BT as 1HZ with 2 less cylinders... and 110Nm more with 15B-FT.

Just gotta find somewhere thats selling them now

You should be able to make your money back (less the fitting costs) with an air locked rear.. Plenty of people would take it off you.

+dj_hansen+ wrote:Awesome looking job there..


You could use a R150 or R151F (someone can clarify all the numbers on the end) which are the cruiser and turbo diesel 4runner/surf/bunderra gearboxes.


I think the R151F is the stronger of the 2. Probably go for the 4runner/Surf to maintain centre output rear.

the R150F and R151F are essentially the same gearbox, with different 1st and 2nd gear ratios 9R151F is lower). they are both available with landcruiser and hilux transfers. V6 and manual turbo 4runners have them, turbo bundera etc - year differences mean some similar models have either one or the other.

I am curious to see how the 13B was mated up to the G52?

sounds like i should go the r150f/r151f with centre rear shaft transfer.
mating the g52 to the 3b was a bit of an epic project. used landcruiser cast iron bellhousing, machined the gearbox end off it then had a 10mm mild steel plate vacuum brazed onto it. machined the plate square plotted all the holes on a mill. big project, but it all worked in the end.

85lux wrote:sounds like i should go the r150f/r151f with centre rear shaft transfer.
mating the g52 to the 3b was a bit of an epic project. used landcruiser cast iron bellhousing, machined the gearbox end off it then had a 10mm mild steel plate vacuum brazed onto it. machined the plate square plotted all the holes on a mill. big project, but it all worked in the end.

you're a Booty Fab GHOD!

eternal respect and admiration, master! would have thought an adaptor plate at the engine end of the bellhousing would have been easier? just not possible?

any pics of the buildup process for your one of a kind bellhousing - sounds like a truly impressive but of work.

cheers

Brian

sorry, no pics of bellhousing buildup.
bellhousing had to be shortened because the g52 input shaft was considderably shorter than the 4sp cruiser input shaft. so by machining the bellhousing i shortened it by about 50mm(can't remember the exact figure) i have since found out that the dyna bellhousing is alloy and very short. this would allow for an adaptor plate.
is the r150f/r151f input shaft and bolt pattern the same as the g52???

85lux wrote:is the r150f/r151f input shaft and bolt pattern the same as the g52???

input shaft is the same, not sure on the gearbox face pattern. R150/151 are slightly fatter in the guts, so probably a bit different. I'd say for your application it would only be a matter of redrilling a few holes on your brazed on plate. would be a pain to have to cut it off and start again!

i think i will have to go to my local wrecker and check the r151 out.
i owuld allmost prefer to keep blowing up g52's than remake the bellhousing. tho it should be easier now that my cad skills have improved.

dumbdunce wrote:

85lux wrote:sounds like i should go the r150f/r151f with centre rear shaft transfer.
mating the g52 to the 3b was a bit of an epic project. used landcruiser cast iron bellhousing, machined the gearbox end off it then had a 10mm mild steel plate vacuum brazed onto it. machined the plate square plotted all the holes on a mill. big project, but it all worked in the end.

you're a Booty Fab GHOD!

eternal respect and admiration, master! would have thought an adaptor plate at the engine end of the bellhousing would have been easier? just not possible?

any pics of the buildup process for your one of a kind bellhousing - sounds like a truly impressive but of work.

cheers

Brian

Second the god thing

more pics please

i will get more pics for you, will have to wait till my mate with the digi camera comes around... exactly what areas do you want the pics of???

85lux wrote:i will get more pics for you, will have to wait till my mate with the digi camera comes around... exactly what areas do you want the pics of???

bellhousing mods (hard with it in the car eh), any floor chops? engine mounts? pics of your booty turbo manifold would be cool too.

also did you have to uprate the front springs to get it to sit level? I imagine a 3B is considerably heavier than the hilux motors.

cheers thanks.

r150 r151f

use 9 bolts to mount to the gearbox box

g52 etc use 7 bolts to mount to gearbox

ive got a r150 gearbox & bellhousing if you need photos ??

willl get pics of all the above as soon as possible.
running same springs as before. sits a little lower now. 3b was about twice the weight of the 3y. the engineer suggested i reinforce the chassis rail with a strip of 25x3 flat stitch welded on. it runs between the front spring mount and shackle mount, both on top and below rail. no floor chops cos i retained the std tranny possition.

daryl,
i would really appreciate some pics of the r150, especially the input shaft.
thanks

which state u in me need some tips im on 4wd monthly forum about a 13bt drop us a line

jim stin, pm sent

still waiting for my mate to come round with the digi camera...

Here is an R150f



Yeah, that fab work sounds awesome. I'd love to see that bellhousing.

Dave

Here is an R151f. Looks the same doesn't it?

Dave

looks kinda the same, i'll have to find the old drawings of the bellhousing and see how similar they are...
thanks for that.

85lux wrote:looks kinda the same, i'll have to find the old drawings of the bellhousing and see how similar they are...
thanks for that.

In the US a 1992-95 Hilux and 4Runner (Surf) with 22R-E has a forward shifting W56 gearbox and 21 spline gear driven transfer case. This is basically a bolt in affair in your 85 Hilux. The shift handles are 1/2 inch farther rearward than the G52/G54. This gearbox is 50% stronger than your G52. I hear you do not have to modify your floor board for this gearbox.

In the US a 1985-87 Turbo Hilux with 22R-TE has a forward shifting R151F gearbox and 23 spline gear driven transfer case. This unit has the same input shaft length as the G52/G54, or W56. However, it has a different bolt pattern where it mounts to the bellhousings. It does not require modifying the floor board either.

The early R150F's have the same input shaft length as the 1986-87 R151F. The latter models have a longer input shaft.

All G52/G54, and W56's I know of will bolt to the same bellhousing. All R151F and R150F will bolt to the same bellhousing but not all R150F's have the same length input shaft lengths. No R series gearbox will bolt to a G52/G54, or W56 bellhousing.

The R series gearboxes are 100% stronger than your G52. They're similar in strength to the gearbox behind the turbo Supra 7M-GTE. The W56 is similar in strength to the W58 behind the NA Supra 5M-GE and 7M-GE. Furthermore, a gearset from the 2WD Dyna R452 gearbox can be fitted in the R151F thus giving it a super low 5.13:1 1st gear ratio.
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/faq/parts/
http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=5319.0

I presume you're in OZ. I'm interested in the 5L and 5L-E engines Toyota installed in the September 97 and later 4WD Hiluxes down under. I know the 3L's came with a G52. (Maybe some also came with the W56?) What gearbox is installed behind the Hilux 5L's? Here's a link that instructs one on determining such info from the vehicle's data plates.
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/faq/vin/

I've heard rumor Toyota installs the R150F (and chain driven transfer case?) gearbox behind the 5L. I've also heard they use the W56 behind it. In either situation both gearboxes would require a different bellhousing because: 1) the input shaft lengths are different, 2) the bellhousing to gearbox bolt pattern is different.

I have a 1986 R151F I'm installing in my 1985 Hilux Xtra Cab. It has the short 6.5" input shaft. If the 5L in Hiluxes comes with a R150F, I'd presume it's a model with the longer input shaft. Unfortunately, the longer input shaft assy from a later R150F will not fit in the 1986-87 R151F's. However, all may not be lost. I've determined that Toyota, Dyna, and/or Hino installed the 5L and Dyna R452 gearboxes in their heavy duty trucks. I'm trying to ascertain if these Dyna R452 gearboxes have a 6.5" input shaft. If so, then I could use the appropriate Dyna R452 bellhousing to bolt my R151F to a 5L or 5L-E.

Anybody willing to help me research this issue?

JR

wow thats a big help, i am thinking about doing a 4 speed cruiser box and transfer, it will bolt straight up to the 3b, be strong and very cheap.
only downside is ofset tailshaft so have to move fuel tank.

help you research??? i think you know all allready.