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in 4wd monthly, just passed. $500 for a transmission mounted handbrake for hilux.
its a complete bolt on kit from superior engineering.

anyone got one? is it worth it? my handbrake is farked, so i was thinking of getting one.

i want one too, lets see if they'll do it cheaper for a group buy.
Anyone else keen?

yer i was looking at one
but cant because i have a rear mounted x-member
sounds good thou

how hard are they to install i wonder...

my tech knowledge is pretty ordinary

when i spoke to them he took me I could do it in an hour so you might be able to to it in 2

On Friday arvo when I got to Rover Park I was having a yap with Tony and someone else and this kit was brought up. Apparently it is pretty easy to install, wouldn't be good enough to rely on as the only handbrake in a 4wd and the caliper that the kit uses has replacement brake pads that cost about $400 a set.
Just what I think I remember, but maybe Tony can fill in the blanks.
Jase

edit: I think it was said that the pads took a while to bed in as well(?)

here you go peeps, al the good shit: (the handbrake is at the bottom)

http://www.superiorengineering.com.au/products.htm


i wish i had 10 grand to spend at this shop

I didn't think there was too much to bust with the handbrake on our type of hilux that it would be so har dto fix and not by-pass

PS Mick at Superior Engineering doesn't have a shop, he uses his shed at home, I'd love a shed full of stuff like his

A good kit, but maybe with a bit of correct adjustment your standard handbrake will work well.

83 lux wrote:yer i was looking at one
but cant because i have a rear mounted x-member
sounds good thou

is your rear x member the same as mine???

roc70y wrote:

83 lux wrote:yer i was looking at one
but cant because i have a rear mounted x-member
sounds good thou

is your rear x member the same as mine???

Scotty has the horse collar type cross member.

83 lux wrote:when i spoke to them he took me I could do it in an hour so you might be able to to it in 2

You or your dad

phippsy wrote:. Apparently it is pretty easy to install, wouldn't be good enough to rely on as the only handbrake in a 4wd and the caliper that the kit uses has replacement brake pads that cost about $400 a set.

what a load of sh1t

when you are wheelin it locks up the front as well.
now by chance it won't work if you have those two wheels in the air so put your locker on.

and as for them wearing out and costing $400 to replace to pads, they're not like brake pads where you are using them to slow the car down, they are just clamping. you won"t wear the pads out until the car is on the scrap heap.

just my 2c

i agree with STUMPY how will the pads ever wear out?
they are probally just $20 falcon or commodore pads.
if the kit is worth $500 then theres no way the pads
are going to be $400.

ive fitted one from sky`s in the USA it works unreal,it locks up all 4 when in 4wd and holds on a better angle then the stock brakes,The pads to replace are arnt exspensive and to fit the kit will take about and hour the only fidly thing is taking the dust cover off the flange,its a good idea ifyour running rear disks

i made one of these(not as flash) ages ago for the zook...

it cost me $130 using go kart disc and a cable operated caliper..

it has stood up to the abuse so far...

pics were in the members section.it uses a hilux double cardon on it too..

can e-mail pics if keen..

if your really keen i can supply the dics and caliper..

It wasnt me that said the replacement pads were $400. I couldnt realy see they could be this much. And if they were you can get the backing plates re-bonded for around $80 at most brake specialists. Brake pads for my rear disc conversion are not available in Aus and this is one of the choices i had to replace the pads. I ended up buying some from NZ for less than $100.

The Tcase mounted hand brake is not as effective to hold the car as the clamping area is not as large but the factory handbrake needs constant attention if the vehicle is used in mud a lot. This is about the only advantage to using this set up. The only other reason to run this is when doing a disc rear conversion its easier to find calipers without handbrakes built in.

The prob with the wear on the Tcase brake is that there is end float in the transfer and this causes the pads to wear even when the brake is not applied.

Sounds like a fairly reasonable price if you cant work out how to build one yourself. And i doubt Mick would be selling this kit with this caliper if the pads are $400 a set.

Tony, the brake effectiveness should have nothing to do with clamping area compared to stock handbrake.

The braking torque depends on the mean radius of the disc pads, the clamping force from the calipers and the friction coefficient between the pads and the disc.

The clamping area affects the pressure (not force) and depending on material, this (pressure) affects wear/life of the pads and disc. Area can also affect heat transfer but should not be an issue with a handbrake.

RUFF wrote:The Tcase mounted hand brake is not as effective to hold the car as the clamping area is not as large but the factory handbrake needs constant attention if the vehicle is used in mud a lot. This is about the only advantage to using this set up. The only other reason to run this is when doing a disc rear conversion its easier to find calipers without handbrakes built in.

i disagree
i believe that the clamping moment would be much greater because it is the clamping surface area multiplied by your diff ratio eg. 4.88. i'm not running this set-up at the moment but plan to. i think it would be more effective.

just my 2c

Hey im only Guessing. Go look at some of these search results on Pirate. There are a lot more bad reports than good. Seams the only guys that think they work either work for the companies that make them or are buddies with them. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/search.p ... =15&page=1

STUMPY wrote:

RUFF wrote:The Tcase mounted hand brake is not as effective to hold the car as the clamping area is not as large but the factory handbrake needs constant attention if the vehicle is used in mud a lot. This is about the only advantage to using this set up. The only other reason to run this is when doing a disc rear conversion its easier to find calipers without handbrakes built in.

i disagree
i believe that the clamping moment would be much greater because it is the clamping surface area multiplied by your diff ratio eg. 4.88. i'm not running this set-up at the moment but plan to. i think it would be more effective.

just my 2c

Stumpy,

It has nothing to do with clamping surface area multiplied by diff ratio.

Braking torque is friction force between brake drum/disc and brake shoe/pad multiplied by the effective radius of the drum/disc pad.

Drum brakes have an advantage over discs because the effective radius of a drum is greater than the effective radius of a disc of the same diameter. With a disc brake the effective radius is taken as the radius to the mid point of the pad (a lot smaller than the outside of the disc).

Also drum brakes have at least 1 leading shoe. The friction on a leading shoe causes the force between the shoe and drum to increase, thus increasing braking.

mud4b wrote:i made one of these(not as flash) ages ago for the zook...

it cost me $130 using go kart disc and a cable operated caliper..

it has stood up to the abuse so far...

pics were in the members section.it uses a hilux double cardon on it too..

can e-mail pics if keen..

if your really keen i can supply the dics and caliper..

if you can do a kit similar to this, but cheaper, i would be keen to give it a whirl and be the guinea (sp?) pig for it

Superior Engineering Toyota hilux trans brake:
AUD $595; Postage to NZ AUD $40.
TOTAL: $635.00 @ $686.12 NZ Dollars

1/ Sky Manufacturing Toyota T case E-brake
US$195.
2/ Pair billet aluminum Toyota Wheel Spacers
US$95.00
3/ USPS Insured 4-6 week postage to NZ
$69.00
4/ Customs coffers blinded by volume of seasonal international mail
TOTAL: US$359.00 @ $509.94 NZ Dollars

Advantage of purchasing ex US - PRICELESS!

T-Case E-Brake Reviews - these relate to the All Pro unit; the Sky Manufacturing unit is the preferred choice as its construction is more robust:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/productreviews/allpro_ebrake/
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/reviews/parking_brake/

Hypo has a similar set up on his rig, he said it was good but not perfect, but I reckon it wouls still be better than nothing, as what has happened to mine for last 6 months, and yes I've replaced brake shoes, cables, and modded to suit the 2" lift blocks in rear, so I'm in for a group buy.

maybe a group buy from the states is a better alternative, guessing from what Leithfield said.

count me in

group buy from the divided states of embaresment sounds good to me.
Count me in.
Chris

i think i need 2 play wif the setup and get it all adjusted properly an also i think the pads need 2 b bed in a bit

Group buys from the US dont work.
If you buy in a whole bunch of product at once you get taxed and stuff.
One at a time they slip through unoticed.
Paul.

ok, i'll ring superior and ask them what they reckon it'll cost for a group buy. so far these are in on it:


me
roc70y
phippsy ?
my lil lux
stumpy

keep an eye on this thread and i'll have a progress report after i make some calls.