Outer Limits 4x4 Board

I have the chance to buy a genuine toyota pto winch complete to suit 60 series , i love the idea of not having to rely on overheating electrics , cooking motors and solenoids from what i can understand reading these forums.


From what ive been told it is a worm drive and it has the added feature of being able to be hand cranked from the front aswell if your motor does die which is a big plus !!!

The question i ask is what are the pros and cons of a pto and how reliable are they , compared to a electric which seem to be a bit tempramentle at times ?????

Cheers..

If you can fix the sheer pin issue and keep it in there they are a bloddy good winch. I've seen a few too many PTOs bust sheer pins to say they are reliable though.

does the pin fall out or does it break ???

go the PTO, you won't regret it

what happens when your winching on a shit angle and the carby farks out?

MY45 wrote:what happens when your winching on a shit angle and the carby farks out?

Who said anything about a petrol engine?

It's all been covered before theres usually a debate that goes for a few pages saying things like, what if you're in the middle of a river and your engine dies, blah blah blah and electric winches flatten batteries and run out of power blah blah blah!

A few points
PTOs can be run in forward or reverse without getting hot, just put the clutch in and the winch stops winching and automatically brakes - worm gears
They can be run with or without the assistance of the wheels if the drive comes off the back of the transfer case
Variable speeds and can run in any gear
No electrics
They aren't available for all cars
They cost a fair bit more new
They are harder to transfer to a new car
Only run when the engine runs - unless you hand crank which would take a while
Can break shear pins which are a prick to fix if you're bogged as you can't really tell how much it's loading up unlike electric

All in all if the price is right and its in good nick buy it, electric and pto both have their advantages, but they'll both get you out of trouble if used right.

btw ive got a pto, and its great, straight gas so the motor doesn't cut out on bad angles

HEY CHARGER wrote:does the pin fall out or does it break ???

Its designed to be the fuse and break when too much load is added. I just think after reading all the info on here now and before that Its all in the way you use it as to weather the pin breaks and the same goes for burning out an electric motor.
Learn how it works (PTO or Electric) and stay within the limits and either will suit your needs.

I have a PTO on my Rocky. Good and fairly easy to use. I use 1st or 2nd for winching, and 5th for cable recovery. Whichever winch you get, take the time and effort to get used to it and know it inside and out BEFORE you need to use it in anger.

MYTTUF wrote:

HEY CHARGER wrote:does the pin fall out or does it break ???

Its designed to be the fuse and break when too much load is added. I just think after reading all the info on here now and before that Its all in the way you use it as to weather the pin breaks and the same goes for burning out an electric motor.
Learn how it works (PTO or Electric) and stay within the limits and either will suit your needs.

This man knows what he is talking about.........

Patroler wrote:Only run when the engine runs - unless you hand crank which would take a while

What type of gearing are we talking here?

Don't know off the top of my head, but its a fair bit, its a worm gear and the manual handle goes onto the worm on the front, the drive shaft turns the back of the same worm, the gearing is low enough so that the winch won't free wheel when the dog is engaged.
I'm sure if you were stuck and you had a decent handle you could slowly recover it, would just be tedious, but would beat walking

Patroller your spot on with the worm and the hand cranking which is slow but it does help, but the other gearing is that you have the pto drive of the transfer case , so you slide the transfer case gear selector in neautral and have 5 winching in speeds ,being the 5 speed box, so start winching in first and as you accelarate on the engine rpm the winching speed increases then you can upshift if its practical and you keep gaining speed.

Generally your not going to cause terrain wont allow it but for recovery of a free winch line you can speed it right up.
Also if you engage your transfer not in neautral you can drive with your wheels as well as winching, so they are pretty good ,
what my question is to people out there aswell is what size shear pin size are they using ?????
cheers ...

Patroller your spot on with the worm and the hand cranking which is slow but it does help, but the other gearing is that you have the pto drive of the transfer case , so you slide the transfer case gear selector in neautral and have 5 winching in speeds ,being the 5 speed box, so start winching in first and as you accelarate on the engine rpm the winching speed increases then you can upshift if its practical and you keep gaining speed.

Generally your not going to cause terrain wont allow it but for recovery of a free winch line you can speed it right up.
Also if you engage your transfer not in neautral you can drive with your wheels as well as winching, so they are pretty good ,
what my question is to people out there aswell is what size shear pin size are they using ?????
cheers ...

i think mine is a 3/16"gutter bolt. I have heard that the ones on the army 6x6 landrovers use some sort of adjustable clutch mechanism instead of a shear pin. The shear pin is there for a reason, dont make it too strong. I have seen shafts twist and snap in the drum.

Tojo wrote:go the PTO, you won't regret it

mine is going in at the moment - same sort, genuine off a 60 - going into my diesel 40. cant wait...

HEY CHARGER wrote: Also if you engage your transfer not in neautral you can drive with your wheels as well as winching, so they are pretty good ,

Only problem with drive assist winching with a PTO winch is that your wheels (especially when fittted larger then standard) are tuning faster then your winch, so often is not possible to winch drive assist , but your winch is so powerful you (almost) never need to drive assist. So if you're recoring incidently and mainly recovering friends nothing beats a PTO but when you go extreme offroading and need the winch for yourself you often want to driveassist. And then will be better off with a High no line speeds electric winch.


I first had a PTO winch from Koenig and now an HS9500 and 8274

Cheers Bowy

The genuine fact Toyota PTO winch works well, but its worst feature, is that the locking dog that engages the drum, is exposed to the elements and runs on a shaft that is also exposed to the elements. Without regular use, it has a habit of siezing to the shaft making engagment difficult. It also has a narrow drum and also requires the fact toyota PTO unit as well. This is because, the toyota PTO unit has reduction gears in it and turns in the oppsite direction to a standard pto unit. They are also only rated to 6ooolb. But all these quirks aside, they are a good cheap winch--just make sure you get all the bits.

Nick

I had a PTO on my 40 and it was awesome

Ran it for hours recovering a mate who rolled in a valley. That would have been impossible with an electric i think.

4th gear, high revs line retrieval was impressive

Being a petrol V8 with a tempramental carby could have caused some concerns - but it never did.

I now have a Himount winch as I couldnt move the PTO onto the 60 series split case I put in the 40.

As has been stated, either will serve you well. Both have pros and cons.