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Hi All

Finally got around to diggin out the only issue of 4x4 Australia that I've ever purchased. The reason I bought it you ask....the best damn winch comparison I've seen to date. If you can get a hold of the September 2003 edition, grab it, its a good read and comparison.

They test seven winches in the 9000-9500 range, all low mounts. They tested Magnum 9K; Superwinch X9; Premier Winch; Warn XD9000; Brawn ZR-9500; TJM OX9500 and the T-MAX EW-9500.

Prices ranged from $1350 (Magnum) to $1925 (Superwinch) with the Warn coming in at $1850. They tested amp draw at no load, 6000lb and 9000lb, line speed at those pulls and did a stall test on most of them.

Very interesting outcomes. The Warn was quickest no load by a big margin (11m/m), next was the Magnum (8.1m/m) and the others ranged between 4.8-6.8m/m.

The amp draws was the big one. At 6000lb it ranged from 215A (Premier) to a massive 385A (Magnum). The Warn drew 335A. At 9000lbs the range was from 276A (Premier) to 530A for the Magnum, with Warn drawing 434A.

Line speed under load was also interesting: At 6000lbs ranged from 1.9m/m (Warn) to 2.5m/m (Premier). The others ranged from 2.1-2.3 m/m. At 9000lbs, line speed ranged from .9m/m (Warn) to 1.9m/m (Premier). Magnum same as Warn and the others achieved between 1.4 and 1.8 m/m.

A stall test wasn't conducted on the T-Max, Brawn and Ox as the T-Max broke the test bench. Other issues also involved cable breakage. What was mentioned as well was that a winch should stall and not break cable.

All in all an interesting test!! Whilst Warn have the reputation, I'd reckon the small operators amy be more willing to give better back up in an effort to get more of this lucrative market.

Maybe its worth taking off our "I'll only ever buy a Warn" blinkers.

To me line speed no load isn't as important as speed under load and amp draw.

I reckon a Premier is the go for me when I get the $$. The story also stated that the Prem' was noticeably cooler after its runs. Well worth $1500 asking price!!!

Bring on the debate!!!

If anyone's interested, I can email the whole story.

Regards

I love my....

I heard the brawn did alright, is this true, as i havent seen a copy of this comparo?

Goddammit!

Just when I'd decided to go with a Brawn.

Who's making/importing the Premier??

go with a good pre-owned Warn anyday over the cheapys..

bogged wrote:go with a good pre-owned Warn anyday over the cheapys..

same. and i did, a 8000lb high mount warn and it has never let me down.

a couple of weekends ago, a guy broke his plasma, not 100% sure on the winch and my WARN pulled him out and didnt break, and it was quick too

hottiemonster wrote:

bogged wrote:go with a good pre-owned Warn anyday over the cheapys..

same. and i did, a 8000lb high mount warn and it has never let me down.

a couple of weekends ago, a guy broke his plasma, not 100% sure on the winch and my WARN pulled him out and didnt break, and it was quick too

gqhoon has a high mount also

We got Warn and Premier, only ever heard good things about the premiers. Many go to government departments as they're the only winch with Australian Standards aproval.

yeah i'd like an email of that story please mate. Sounds interesting, Warn is highly overrated in my books. PM'd

BigMav wrote:Warn is highly overrated in my books. PM'd

how do ya come to that conclusion?

BigMav

Story emailed....it makes a very interesting read.

See what I mean about the Warn monopoly!!


Regards

bogged wrote:

BigMav wrote:Warn is highly overrated in my books. PM'd

how do ya come to that conclusion?

I realise that Warn has their fans, mostly people who own them. But on paper I don't think there is anything exceptional about them at all. Take a look at the figures yourself and tell me why they are so good? And yes I know you've probably had yours for a long time and has never failed, heard that before and reliability is definitely a factor. On the same token I haven't heard of people having problems with a lot of other brands either. Just my 2 cents, if you're happy with the winch then who cares, its all good.

David can you try that article again mate didn't get it for some reason. try this one. jburchell@optusnet.com.au
thanks mate

T Max winches are cheap to buy but they are not a cheap winch. They have been sold as a lot of different names and so on. So when you buy a what ever and so on you might be surprised to find that they are actually a you Know what. So if you want a great deal on a 9500 or what ever come and see me or pick up the phone for a good deal.

LudaCris

I have just bought a Premier winch on the result of that article (although I haven't got to read it, only word of mouth). When I was researching winches it appeared from their specs and appearance that the OX, Thor, Brawn and T-MAX were all the same winch. I was talked out of a MAGNUM by ARB because it had a very short duty cycle and drew heaps of AMPS. The premier seems to have the same triple? wound motor as the Warn and performs the same if not better. I know Warns are used alot in competion but I think that is mainly the XD9500 with the ^ hp motor and very fast line speed. I had a Ramsey REP 8000 prior to this and the main difference is the line speed NOT under load. If you were in low range and getting intermittant traction the winch would probably keep up so your not runningf over the cable. I'd be interested in getting a copy of that article to see if I've made the right decision. 4X4 doesn't have back copies. Cheersjsisometimes wonder wTR

I guess my Email address might help. scottpapeneux60@msn.com Cheers.

For the specs from all the winches you can take a look at my site.... they are all there except the brown (That one will be added soon)

Cheers bowy


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Paps wrote:I have just bought a Premier winch on the result of that article (although I haven't got to read it, only word of mouth). When I was researching winches it appeared from their specs and appearance that the OX, Thor, Brawn and T-MAX were all the same winch. I was talked out of a MAGNUM by ARB because it had a very short duty cycle and drew heaps of AMPS. The premier seems to have the same triple? wound motor as the Warn and performs the same if not better. I know Warns are used alot in competion but I think that is mainly the XD9500 with the ^ hp motor and very fast line speed. I had a Ramsey REP 8000 prior to this and the main difference is the line speed NOT under load. If you were in low range and getting intermittant traction the winch would probably keep up so your not runningf over the cable. I'd be interested in getting a copy of that article to see if I've made the right decision. 4X4 doesn't have back copies. Cheersjsisometimes wonder wTR

SERIES WOUND I think is the term you're looking for. but correct me if i'm wrong

anyone catch a look at the new brawn highmount in the 4wd monthly

Bartso wrote:anyone catch a look at the new brawn highmount in the 4wd monthly

There is a whole thread about it in General. In short, not ready for sale yet.