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hi all im after a front and rear dana 60 or 80 series cruiser diffs.

must be complete and reasonably priced....


you can contact me from below....

im on the sunshine coast. qld.

i have an 80's front and gq rear if that is a help.


NICK

how much are you after for the front?

600 complete

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bump

how about complete Nissan GQ's front and rear - $1100

3.9 gears, LSD rear, with spare 3.9 LSD Rear Centre

i might have found some d44s...so ill keep it in mind..

ok let me know

mud4b wrote:i might have found some d44s...so ill keep it in mind..

What are these going in and Why would you settle for a D44 when you wanted a D60? What are the D44s comming out of?

What are these going in and Why would you settle for a D44 when you wanted a D60? What are the D44s comming out of?


they are going in a vitara tube buggy....

im finding it hard to find dana 60s at a reasonable price

what prices are you getting

mud4b wrote:What are these going in and Why would you settle for a D44 when you wanted a D60? What are the D44s comming out of?


they are going in a vitara tube buggy....

im finding it hard to find dana 60s at a reasonable price

So you want to spend more money on a D44. Buy hilux diffs they can be built just as strong and parts are everywhere.

If you just want to go Danas because you heard they are awsome make sure you can find parts for the D44 you are looking at first before you buy it. And make sure it is a D44.

We had a pair of D44s in Rods Buggy and we have now swapped in a 60 series to the rear and will prob do something similare in the front. They are just too hard to get bits for and when they break they realy break.

GQ's

A GQ diff wouldnt be a bad choice for the rear but its not Full floating(Unless you use a Huge Ute one) and they have a small pinion shaft which have been known to break. And the gearing options are not great on them.

Then a GQ in the front you have the issue of getting CVs to hold up. There are not many options there.

RUFF wrote:A GQ diff wouldnt be a bad choice for the rear but its not Full floating(Unless you use a Huge Ute one) and they have a small pinion shaft which have been known to break. And the gearing options are not great on them.

Then a GQ in the front you have the issue of getting CVs to hold up. There are not many options there.

In a vitara tube buggy i cant see it being a major issue, with the front it will be interesting to see how the hilux long field conversion goes

bubs wrote:

RUFF wrote:A GQ diff wouldnt be a bad choice for the rear but its not Full floating(Unless you use a Huge Ute one) and they have a small pinion shaft which have been known to break. And the gearing options are not great on them.

Then a GQ in the front you have the issue of getting CVs to hold up. There are not many options there.

In a vitara tube buggy i cant see it being a major issue, with the front it will be interesting to see how the hilux long field conversion goes

Is bobby doing a conversion for GQs?

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If you just want to go Danas because you heard they are awsome make sure you can find parts for the D44 you are looking at first before you buy it. [/quote]

i was trying to get away from cv joints......


im building this on a fair budget and dont think i can cut it to afford
the good birfields/cv..

go the gq's. how is a axle going to break in a buggy weighing half what a gq does. yes it may happen, but really what are the odds. a gu cv is like 30% stronger and rerely break in gq's. so a gq in a vitara is still proportionatly stronger than a gu in a gq. if you set up the buggy right and minamise tramping and bouncing, and aviod shock loads they will last.

and if the pinion broke i think you could afford the minimal price for another

sometimes to move foward you have to go with what you can get.

just do it

bru

mud4b wrote:[quote

If you just want to go Danas because you heard they are awsome make sure you can find parts for the D44 you are looking at first before you buy it.

i was trying to get away from cv joints......


im building this on a fair budget and dont think i can cut it to afford
the good birfields/cv.. [/quote]

Then you will be in a whole lot more trouble when you fit D44s and the front Unisin the axles begin breaking and destroying both inner and outer shaft and also tearing the outer knuckle clean off if you are unlucky. You will be looking at $2000+ for a set of shafts to suit a D44 that will handle the punishment of Rockcrawling.

bru21 wrote:go the gq's. how is a axle going to break in a buggy weighing half what a gq does. yes it may happen, but really what are the odds. a gu cv is like 30% stronger and rerely break in gq's. so a gq in a vitara is still proportionatly stronger than a gu in a gq. if you set up the buggy right and minamise tramping and bouncing, and aviod shock loads they will last.

and if the pinion broke i think you could afford the minimal price for another

sometimes to move foward you have to go with what you can get.

just do it

bru

Weight has Very little to do with breaking drive train components with Tube Buggies and Rockcrawling. And when a pinion breaks thats usually the least of your trouble its what the pinion gear breakes when it falls back into the housing.

Trailcrafts Tube buggy runs GQ CVs and can break them without moving at around 1700RPM. This thing weighs around 1200KGS.

How many hiluxes have you seen shear both rear axles clean off at the splines trying to drive one obstical? My Buggy weighs 1350kgs WET. And it snapped both Rear axles and a front CV on the one obstical in 2 attempts. The second attempt i allready had one broken rear axle.

Again WEIGHT or HP have very little to do with breakages in Rock crawling.

There are rigs in the US that weigh 800kg running Fully Sponsored Built D60s and they are still breaking axle components if they dont drive carefull.

hmmm..

i know when to listen...

i can get em for a decent price......but as said hilux stuff is cheap and easy to get..

so i might go that way....

at least i can get started then....

how would you compare them(hilux) to 80 series?

mud4b wrote:hmmm..

i know when to listen...

i can get em for a decent price......but as said hilux stuff is cheap and easy to get..

so i might go that way....

at least i can get started then....

how would you compare them(hilux) to 80 series?

The Hilux parts are just so much cheaper when you need them. I didnt fit Hilux axles to my Buggy because that was all i could afford. It just made sence.

You can get gear sets from 5.7 through to 3.5 and you can buy replacement axles and CVs from as little as $20. Complete diff centres range from $50-$750 depending on what you want.

I run an 80 series 4.1 High pinion centre in the front of my buggy and havent hurt it yet. I run a 4.3 hilux centre in the rear and havent hurt one of these as yet. I did break a 4.1 in the rear 2 days after finishing the buggy but i think this was a set up problem not a weakness. Now i have snapped a lot of CVs and 2 rear axles so far. But i can buy Replacements cheap and almost any 4wd wreckers has them and lots of them. I can also upgread to Axles and CVs that should handle the task for a lot less than i could with Dana Axles.

In a Tube buggy you dont need or want width. The lower and narrower you are the better(obviously to a degree).

For a Hilux You can buy Chromoly CVs with a 300M star and Chromo inner axles that are 31 spline everywhere(inner,outer and in the star) for $635us for the par so these should be landed in Aus for around $1000. You wont break a Cv or inner axle again. Then you can buy Chromo Rear axles for $435us and these are not likely to break again. So then you are left with a very cheap easy to find pair of diff centres to replace when needed which should hopefully not be often. Also there are readily available High steer kits for Hiluxs that actually work but for a GQ or 80 series you are fairly limited to where you can get these.

Hilux realy is the cheapest and strongest as far as Cost and Availability.

Oh yeah and im not trying to Piss on Patrol diffs but there just are not enough aftermarket heavy duty parts available for them.

And the same goes for 80 series fronts and rears. Yes you can by the Chromo Cvs for the 80 front but then you have an axle that cost you a heap more to start with and is wider than is needed also harder to sort out a high steer set up that works.

RUFF wrote:

bubs wrote:

RUFF wrote:A GQ diff wouldnt be a bad choice for the rear but its not Full floating(Unless you use a Huge Ute one) and they have a small pinion shaft which have been known to break. And the gearing options are not great on them.

Then a GQ in the front you have the issue of getting CVs to hold up. There are not many options there.

In a vitara tube buggy i cant see it being a major issue, with the front it will be interesting to see how the hilux long field conversion goes

Is bobby doing a conversion for GQs?

no this thread http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... long+field

i know the weight has little to do but i was meaning as a comparison. if you shockload you diffs with 100:1 gearing and heavy tyres you will brek something. run an auto and drive carefully. yank stuff is ok but you have to get it and spares.

longfields are dear on a cheap buggy. also you can't compare what the average buggy builder is going to do to the better ones in the country.

lux may well be/are a good choice but gq stuff is cheap as nowdays and still heavier, and disks both ends. not argueing at all just pointing out that for someone thet wanted 80s or 44's that patrols are comparable and there ready to go (bubs)

bru21 wrote:i know the weight has little to do but i was meaning as a comparison. if you shockload you diffs with 100:1 gearing and heavy tyres you will brek something. run an auto and drive carefully. yank stuff is ok but you have to get it and spares.

longfields are dear on a cheap buggy. also you can't compare what the average buggy builder is going to do to the better ones in the country.

lux may well be/are a good choice but gq stuff is cheap as nowdays and still heavier, and disks both ends. not argueing at all just pointing out that for someone thet wanted 80s or 44's that patrols are comparable and there ready to go (bubs)

I realy dont think the GQ are comparable. Bubs wants $1200 for his pair and they hav 3.9 gearing. You can buy a pair of hilux diffs complete with 4.88 gearing for $500. There is most of your gearing straight away. And yes GQ Diffs are heavier that doesnt make them Stronger.

Shockloading is not the problem with Rock Crawling. Its the gearing and binding tyres up that does the damage. As i said Trailcraft can break a GQ CV at around 1700RPM there is no shockload at that sort of revs with around 100-1 gearing.

I have no idea what you mean about the Average Buggy Builder compaired to the Better ones in the country. They all still try and drive the same stuff.

Running an Auto makes Bound up breakages worse because you rarely even notice that you are boundup. Manual the engine just stalls. Its hard to drive carefully when you are trying to win or at least not come last.

Longfields are Dear on a cheap buggy especially if you buy GQ axles first and after breaking a heap of GQ CVs at $75-$150 a pop you end up having to buy the Longfields and the conversion kit to make them fit.

AS for wanting the 80 or 44 diffs i dont think he had given it much thought till i brought up this subject.

There is only one pair of axles i will eventually swap into my Buggy and that will be Dana 60s but its going to owe me around 10-15 grand for the pair built and the strength for this cost still wont be close to what guys in the US are running.

Sorry if it sounds like im arguing im only making points.

I would just hate to see another person go and spend a heap of time building a rig with GQ diffs when Hilux Diffs are cheaper and are well and truely up to the task if built right.

very good points.....

i will be going the lux diffs now.....

i already have em in my zook,running 80s high pinion ,bundera steering arms,rear discs.....so i know how to build these to my liking....


i will eventually upgade the axles and cv one day,but to start with its going to be reasonably priced....

thanks all...

mud4b wrote:very good points.....

i will be going the lux diffs now.....

i already have em in my zook,running 80s high pinion ,bundera steering arms,rear discs.....so i know how to build these to my liking....


i will eventually upgade the axles and cv one day,but to start with its going to be reasonably priced....

thanks all...

Dont worry i have now almost convinced myself to NOT build the D60 i have started for the rear of my buggy

And i think Bru is prob looking at fitting Hilux diffs to his Patrol now too

i didn't realise you could get a pair for under a grand

point taken