Outer Limits 4x4 Board

after speaking with USA4wd in melb through the week the teralows are avaliable through them for all isuzu 5 speeds. the cost is $2500, give or take depending on the dollar. that is for parts only, figure another $600+ for install. was told the install is a real pain and involves gearbox and transfer case removal and at least two people, but it can be done in a day. sounds like diff changes maybe cheaper and easier...i believe the ratio change is from 2:1 to 3:1.

Yesss....the gear ratio change from 2.28:1 to 3.07:1 in early Isuzus. And 2.05:1 to 3.07:1 in newest Isuzus.....

Dani !!

Wow that is steep. We pay $399 for the gears via www.samsoffroad.com. Install isn't horrible, but it is quite involved. You must remove the xfr case on an auto tranny or installon vehivle on a 5spd. Install will take 8-10 houtrs.

If you guys are serious and get a few guys together you can get them made locally for much cheaper than that.
We had Pajero low range gears made by a firm in Melbourne (who make Marks 4wd Adapters stuff) and so far 30 sets are out there (including o/seas).
The ratio we got was from 1.92 standard to 2.85:1 and it makes a huge difference offroad.
We are also doing them for the later model Paj's (3.5 V6) which will have a ratio of 3.15:1.
The cost of these gears is $1000Aus.

Thanks for posting the info Toby.

Hey Frank,

How did you go about getting them to look at it? Will they do the R&D from scratch or do they need a set to copy?
$2500 for Teralows does seem very steep!

Which ever way we decide to go, a group buy would be the best aproach...

Cheers,

Noel

PS Merry Xmas everyone!

Westy, the best way would be to get hold of a t/case.
Pull it apart and supply him the relevant gears with case housing so internal measurements/clearances can be checked.
It costs $500 for the engineering drawings and extra for any specific tooling thats needed.
The costs are spread across each gearset.
A quicker way would be to get hold of a set of the Tera gears and do a direct copy but I think there is a law against that
The more guys you get together the cheaper it will be.

If there is a few guys willing to get involved and get some made far cheaper than whats available now, i'd be more than willing to jump on board with it........ i'd love a set of teralows....... if only we could get diff sets a little cheaper

So anyone happen to have a spare transfer case laying around? If not I guess we will have to come up with one some how. Anyone in Melbourne willing to have a look around for a cheap Tcase? Maybe a few of us can share the initial costs...
I'd be more than willing to drive this along if I was closer to Melbourne but kind of difficult where I am...

Or does anyone else have another plan...

Noel

Have you considered a group buy on teralows? Have indy, darlington, or sams ship 4 or 5 sets from US. Seriously, I paid $399US for mine. They are on e-bay for $410US. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7943041809&category=46104 with worldwide shipping.

dont know of any transfer cases floating around, but there is a large holden wreckers just down the road. has been a pretty good source for myself (snorkel, long range tanks, bars, cargo barriers etc..), but before i bother him are all cases the same between ages and motor/trans variations?maybe post some case part numbers and ill head down there for prices.

Just remember that the gearbox and transfer are one unit on the manuals!!!

Yarno wrote:Just remember that the gearbox and transfer are one unit on the manuals!!!

Yeh, I remembered about that later in the day...

toby wrote:dont know of any transfer cases floating around, but there is a large holden wreckers just down the road. has been a pretty good source for myself (snorkel, long range tanks, bars, cargo barriers etc..), but before i bother him are all cases the same between ages and motor/trans variations?maybe post some case part numbers and ill head down there for prices.

Mmmm, this is possibly where it may get a bit complicated. Looks like there are different variations on the tranny/transfer combo and thats why there are different variations for the Teralows as can be seen below. We would probably need to supply the different versions.

LOW307
Fits 1987*-1992 All models. Transfer case uses a rear, slip-yoke style driveshaft.
LOW307E
Fits all models 1993-1996.Transfer case uses a fixed-yoke rear driveshaft.

LOW307L-A
Fits 1997-2001 with automatic transmissions only.

LOW307L-M
Fits 1997-2001 with 5-speed manual transmissions only.

Noel

wareagle wrote:Have you considered a group buy on teralows? Have indy, darlington, or sams ship 4 or 5 sets from US. Seriously, I paid $399US for mine. They are on e-bay for $410US. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7943041809&category=46104 with worldwide shipping.

While establishing a local product would be great (especially in the long term), I must admitt that it does seem like it could be the way to go still. That is while knowing nothing about import duties or any other costs that get incurred during these things. Has any one imported similar stuff from the states and if so what approximately can be expected in terms of importing costs?

Noel

BTW: For the record here's a review on the Teralow.
http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/tera_low_isuzu/index.asp

That report is very interesting Noel

Guy's

Based on $410.00us for the SAMS gears with international shipping, you are looking at $536.00 + 5% import duty comes to $563.00aud. (5% is standard import duty but I am not sure about the free trade agreement, it may meen you will have no duty???)

Buying privatly and shipping direct to your residence, rather than treating as a commercial opperation would be able to avoid the duty.

You may also look at buying say 5, airfreight via fedex is not so expensive + insure the shipment through them

My suggestion would be to avoid all the hassle and just get them in from the states.

Even if shipping is a little more they are much cheaper than geting gears cut locally, and much cheaper than the teralows.

Tiny

RoeDao wrote:That report is very interesting Noel

Yep, it a great article. One on the best I've seen on the web.

#Tiny wrote:Guy's

Based on $410.00us for the SAMS gears with international shipping, you are looking at $536.00 + 5% import duty comes to $563.00aud. (5% is standard import duty but I am not sure about the free trade agreement, it may meen you will have no duty???)

Buying privatly and shipping direct to your residence, rather than treating as a commercial opperation would be able to avoid the duty.

You may also look at buying say 5, airfreight via fedex is not so expensive + insure the shipment through them

My suggestion would be to avoid all the hassle and just get them in from the states.

Even if shipping is a little more they are much cheaper than geting gears cut locally, and much cheaper than the teralows.

Tiny

Thanks heaps for the advice Tiny.

Cheers,

Noel

Westoztroopa wrote:

#Tiny wrote:Guy's

Based on $410.00us for the SAMS gears with international shipping, you are looking at $536.00 + 5% import duty comes to $563.00aud. (5% is standard import duty but I am not sure about the free trade agreement, it may meen you will have no duty???)

Buying privatly and shipping direct to your residence, rather than treating as a commercial opperation would be able to avoid the duty.

You may also look at buying say 5, airfreight via fedex is not so expensive + insure the shipment through them

My suggestion would be to avoid all the hassle and just get them in from the states.

Even if shipping is a little more they are much cheaper than geting gears cut locally, and much cheaper than the teralows.

Tiny

Thanks heaps for the advice Tiny.

Cheers,

Noel

No Probs,

Looked at the EBAY thread, and I would say that $60 would cover shipping. Your best bet would be to get a wieght and dimensions from the suplier in the states......talk to wareeagle, as he should be able to get that info from the supplier.

When you have the info ring DHL and fedex to get pricing, bear in mind it will be cheaper over all to ship a few togethjer then distribute here.... $20 will cover freight in AUS.

Tiny

one way to avoid duty is to get a middle man to purchase and send them over as a gift which attracts no import duty