Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Heya all

Seriously contemplating dropping in a 5.0 holden donk into my two door rangie! I think that will get me movin!

Ive been serching this forum for info on the subject and especially yours HSV RANGIE! I have found bits an pieces of info but would love to here some more from the people that have done it!

I plan to use marks adaptors kits and bolt the donk onto the tuff 4 speed! More info on local customisers of radiators and so on would be greatly appreciated!

Whats the deal with the ECU Probs! speed sensors and body control module are these necesary!

I believe a custom sump is the way to go as well??????

Anyone that is in the melbourne area that is interested to help that would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers
steve

For all the places that do custom work check out your local speed mags if their is any. If there isn't one any major publication should have plenty of melbourne stores that do custom work. Pretty much any radiator shop will do custom plumbing while you local speed shop should be able to help out with a custom sump and so on. The marks site pretty much covers everything about what needs to be done with the ecu etc. Shop around for things such as memcals as they can be had cheaper than what marks flog em off for. Also I believe dellow automotive and castlemaine rodshop also sell adaptors for this conversion.

http://www.dellowauto.com.au/
http://www.rodshop.com.au/

I have looked at putting in the efi 5.0 into early commodores and the following site has some pretty good info into dropping it into an early commodore. Its not quite as straightfoward for a rangie I would imagine but it gives you some indication to the wrok involved.

http://www.vkgroup3.com/Tech%20Articles ... ersion.htm

Castlemaine also have an electrical branch that does kits for these types of conversions (carby to efi) they may be able to put some sort of loom together for you but any autoelectrician can do that.

I have also thought about dropping a chev into the disco, but the lighter gen3. Something tells me buy the time I come to do this the gen4 (6.0L, 297kw 530NM in a detuned state) will be the same sort of cost. Hope all goes well and don't forget to keep us posted on your progress.

Cheers
Stuart

Gday Steve,
Check these links also,

http://www.cmr.uq.edu.au/~rotor/the_shed/Rangemobile/ Another Rangie Conversion on the web.


http://www.marks4wd.com/ Conversion kits, sort out which gear box your going to use before starting this.

http://www.injectedholdens.com/ Matt at Injected Holdens did my loom. Smart cookie doing this all the time.

Ive taken a new crate motor from a VT 5L with the roller cam and put it in mine. Would of liked the 5.7 but didnt have the extra cash and had I, I might gone towards a chev instead.

Like HSV Rangie, I had to get the ECU modded, and take out the need for the BCM. Whilst there add a few extra Kw's. Im still sorting out the VSS right now.

You will also need to consider another radiator, because the holden hosesare the reverse to the Rover.

A sump off a HZ or WB, will do. Though im wondering about baffles right now. Thoughts on this anyone

I dont know about your Rangie model but on my 92 the donk sits left of centre, Std exhaust manifolds wont work as the left one runs right through the chassis rail. I know HSV found one that didnt. I opted for custom built extractors. (if you take that route, make sure you are very explicit with the dudes making them. Tell them exactly where they have to run. Make sure they understand they aint building a steet and strip car but a 4x4 that will be under alot of heat load for prolonged lengths of time. You dont want the tubes to close to the starter motor, auto in my case, or the floor of the RR.)

Be prepared to fab brackets for your ancileries. i.e. Air Cond. Alternator.

The holden weighs 60kg more, take a look at your front suspension.

There isnt an oil cooler std on the holden, easily fixed with a sandwich plate between the oil pump and filter.

I did a body lift while there, a little more air under the bonnet cant be a bad thing. It was the excuse to my height challanged wife shes already bitching about getting in after the spring lift .. Doing this the dizzy on mine cleared the fire wall and I didnt need to beat the crap out of it to get it to fit.

Are you going to engineer it? If so have a chat to the engineer before you start.

Insure it?

Is the RR in the kind of condition you want to spend this kind of money on it?

Not trying to scare you off everyone has an opinion about conversions. I'm happy with my choices. Weigh up all the pros and cons, and go for it.

http://www.cmr.uq.edu.au/~rotor/the_she ... is_rangie/

Holden engine specs:

Engine Code: XY2
Engine Location: Front
Engine Orientation: Longitudinal
Engine Description:
Eight cylinders, V-formation, OHV/pushrods, cast-iron, cross-flow heads.
Capacity (Cm3): 5737cm3
Fuel System Type: PFI
Maximum Power: 215kW @ 4800rpm
Maximum Torque:
475Nm @ 3600rpm Over 400Nm is available at 1200rpm
Cylinders: V8
Valve Train: OHV
Valves Per Cylinder: 2v
Block Material: Cast-iron
Compression Ratio: 8.5:1
Fuel Type: 91 RON ULP
Fuel Tank Capacity: 80 litres
City: 17.4
Highway: 10

Engine Code: XY7
Engine Location: Front
Engine Orientation: Longitudinal
Engine Description:
Eight cylinders, V-formation, OHV/pushrods, cast-iron, cross-flow heads.
Capacity (Cm3): 4987cm3
Fuel System Type: PFI
Maximum Power: 185kW @ 4800rpm
Maximum Torque: 400Nm @ 3600rpm
Cylinders: V8
Valve Train: OHV
Valves Per Cylinder: 2v
Block Material: Cast-iron
Compression Ratio: 8.4:1
Fuel Type: 91 RON ULP
Fuel Tank Capacity: 80 litres
City: 14.5
Highway: 9.5

The sump I used Hi energy, fuly baffled, trap door, windage tray and crank scrapers.



THe engine:


I am in Geelong email,PM for any info required.

speed sensor is easy.

Michael.

HSV, Your fuel consumption figures appear to be from the holden specs. What sort of milage do you get out of the rangie?

Mudzuki wrote:HSV, Your fuel consumption figures appear to be from the holden specs. What sort of milage do you get out of the rangie?

Yes the above is holden specs.

Best I have got with out trying is:
25 Mpg, 9k per L, 11.2l per 100k. (110-120 KPH)

usually 22-23 mpg to shit where did it all go.

Michael.

HSV Rangie wrote:
usually 22-23 mpg to shit where did it all go.

Michael.

Love it, thought you were going to say "shit that gauge must be wrong!"

Tom

Hey thanks for the great info guys!

HSV RANGIE could i be so bold and ask u how much your engine cost. Ive started looking around and found a few varying prices around the $3000 mark for complete motors with computer and so on!

Is this reletively normal price?

Thanks again and u can bet i will probably be in touch again!

cheers
steve

$6,500.00 new crate engine. inc clutch.
complete bar : alt, ac , power steer..

items required to start engine:
wiring loom.
ignition module.
02 sensors.

Michael.

oh ok thats right you have the 215kw engine im looking at the 180kw!

CRATE ENGINE- i thought so by how clean it looked in the photo!

Big Steve I did some asking of questions for you and myself about the speed sensor matter. The bloke I spoke with knows his stuff and that cannot be denied (won't name on line) He stated as long as your not hooking up to an auto you can rid the system of speed sensor. The speed sensor essentially senses de-acceleration and kicks in the step up motor to bring the engine back to idle under control. One of the best syetems to use will be the Holden Delco and in particular the VN or VP delco. You can pick them up every where. These systems have stacks of power and can memory and can be modified to suit the needs very easily. You can use either the V6 or V8 computer as they are the same.

PM or email me and i can give some more details. I forgot about the BCM but Iam of the opinion it will just be edited out.

Interesting, Any one put one in a Disco????

Rock Bottom if you own a disco you could be the first, be daring

speed snsor is also required to work with a closed loop system.

The only thing I had deleted from the ECU was the bodt control module components (vt-vs Comp)
Michael.

Rosco (Aust) wrote:Rock Bottom if you own a disco you could be the first, be daring

I agree 100%

HSVrangie (Michael) I advised on very knoledgable ground that if you use VN or VP Delco you firstly? don't have BCM (will check that fact tomorrow) and providing you don't run an auto you can delete the speed sensor. If you use VS VR its fixed in to deal with the electronics of the auto.

You can also use last of Camira both V6 and V8 computers. You need to change the chip though. Camira computers were also used by some in the early days to run up Nissan SR20DET motors.

Rosk bottom how about a number plate "HSVDSCO" can do it in the Territory real cheap.