Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Guys,

When the new Patrol arrives I'm ditching the Bridgestone’s for a better tyre. I want to keep the 17inch alloys so this restricts my options. I currently run BFG muddies on my Navara and have used them before as well.

My question is to Claw and MTR owners. What type of Km's and how bad is the road noise from the Claws or MTR's verses the BFG muddies?

Why not keep what it comes with and run a set of aggressives like swampers or simex or the like?

the radial claws when new are the same as bfg muds the kms i cant' really tell you but they are wearing the same as my mate who has bfg's when the claws get down a bit you can feel a little vibration when taking off due to the claw like tread but i chose them over the muds due to their off road performance as they are heaps better than bfg's can't really compare to mtr's haven't had them but i seem to see alot of them for sale so maybe the owners aren't happy with them

bigsteve wrote:Why not keep what it comes with and run a set of aggressives like swampers or simex or the like?

Agreed (JT2 owner)

blkmav wrote:

bigsteve wrote:Why not keep what it comes with and run a set of aggressives like swampers or simex or the like?

Agreed (JT2 owner)

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Bigsteve - The Patrol is a daily driver and we do a lot of on and off road km's so I dont really want the hassel of swapping rims when I want to have a play.

Bartso - I'm leaning towards the Claws, just for something different as everyone up here run BFG A/T's or M/T's. I just dont know much about them...


Thanks for the comments guys...

Go the BFGs. I don't trust my MT/Rs in the mud - they're better than most tyres, but I don't think they're as good as BFGs. And on loose climbs I'm a little disappointed with grip - I was hoping for better.

I'm not sure Baja Claws are good for lateral grip i.e. cornering on dirt roads could be a little more exciting than normal.

And you are aware that a 285/75-17 will be closer to 34 inches than 33? A 285/75 on a 16" rim is 33" overall diameter.

Cheers,

Scott

NJ SWB wrote:And you are aware that a 285/75-17 will be closer to 34 inches than 33? A 285/75 on a 16" rim is 33" overall diameter.

Cheers,

Scott

Thanks Scott - My mistake the BFG M/T's are 285/70/17.

Xcited wrote:Bigsteve - The Patrol is a daily driver and we do a lot of on and off road km's so I dont really want the hassel of swapping rims when I want to have a play.

Big hassle, 1x wheelbrace, 1x trolley jack under diffs up and changed in under all 4 in 20 mins, also allows you to check brake pads and clean all the mud out properly - the shit you THINK you have hosed out but never do.

You have the best of both worlds.. safer road tires, and safer better offroad tires.. Have been doing the 2 sets for 3 yrs, mine is also a daily driver...

MTR road (will get them again)
JT2 offroad.

I drove my bosses Patrol (fitted with 33x12.50R17 Claws) from Mt Isa to the Gulf and back to Brisbane.
Was really impressed with their on road manners. Handled well and the noise level was negligible (less noise than I expected from such an aggressive tyre).
IMO you won't be disappointed with the Claws.

Nemesis just got some for his 4runner...

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=32707
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/inde ... eadid=6339

A lot of people keep going on about this lateral traction crap with the Claws.... I've driven utes, wagons and short wheel bases on the Claws and other 'normal muddies' and found that if you are going to slide sideways, it's doesn't matter what tyre you run, they all slide about the same......just put your right foot down harder

bogged wrote:
MTR road (will get them again)
JT2 offroad.

I see you have MTR's for road. What sort of Km's and how noisey are they?

Also would you be better to run a Pirelli for on road if your so concerned about safety?

Xcited wrote:I see you have MTR's for road. What sort of Km's and how noisey are they?

they are noisey when wearing, bout same as my old BFG's at similar kms. they are about 70% now.

Also would you be better to run a Pirelli for on road if your so concerned about safety?

Pirellis have a shit rep in offroad tires. I would go Michelin.

i reckon the MTR's

I have them at the moment they look and are wearing fine have now done 17k on them still look good however havnt done a great deal of offroad as of yet.

Ryano wrote:I've driven utes, wagons and short wheel bases on the Claws and other 'normal muddies' and found that if you are going to slide sideways, it's doesn't matter what tyre you run, they all slide about the same...

ask guts about boggers....

$0.02 = one set only BFGs
$Moneyshot = JT2s

bogged wrote:

Ryano wrote:I've driven utes, wagons and short wheel bases on the Claws and other 'normal muddies' and found that if you are going to slide sideways, it's doesn't matter what tyre you run, they all slide about the same...

ask guts about boggers....

Seen that alot too but Beebees appear to behave on side slopes.

Thanks for the feedback guys, I'm going to try the claws this time round.

let us know how they drive

will these be a daily driver tyre

GO THE CLAWS!!!!!!!

Xcited wrote:Thanks for the feedback guys, I'm going to try the claws this time round.

price them compared to MTR/BFG's...

Tyre life and road noise.... X-Terrains, they make great road tyres.
Better and quieter onroad than the others.
Can do the fun stuff the others do better than an AT but not as good as the others, does that make sense?

Ryano wrote:GO THE CLAWS!!!!!!!

Agree from those options.

Just make sure (as with all mud and lug tyres) you keep them rotated regularly. I'd suggest you rotate every 5000 - 8000kms.... You only need to balance them every 10 000kms, but to stop any wear patterns from developing you'll need to rotate them more often.
Cheers,
Ryano

Who cares bout road noise

Go the Mickey T's..

A nate has a set of 35" Claws on his 80 Series an he uses it as his work truck...

He's very happy with them..

i run the claws and love em. a few mates hate their mtr's some like em, i wouldn't get mtrs as the claws are that good on road they are more than safe / acceptable and far better when you need em

crankycruiser wrote:Who cares bout road noise

Go the Mickey T's..

A nate has a set of 35" Claws on his 80 Series an he uses it as his work truck...

He's very happy with them..

how many kms would he get out of them

i'm wanting to go claws as a everyday tyre when my mtrs go down

Don't the MTR's also have the biggest (Thickest) sidewalls?
I think it depends on your prefered driving medium, In the Mud the MickyT's will kick and on the Rocks the soft Silica MTR's will win hands down. All tyres have there strong and weak points.
If longevity is your main requirment , get two sets of rims, AT's on one ET2's on the other!

The prices I have from local guys are:

285/70/17 BFG MT are $380 ea

33/12.5/17 MT Claws are $368 ea

No price for MTR as they not out in 17's yet.

You city boys would get a better price and you can not compare prices against at set of 16 or 15 as the options in 17 is very limited at the moment.

Xcited wrote:You city boys would get a better price and you can not compare prices against at set of 16 or 15 as the options in 17 is very limited at the moment.

Probably a free trip to Brissie in what you save and a good on-road test on the way back?

Xcited wrote:The prices I have from local guys are:

285/70/17 BFG MT are $380 ea

33/12.5/17 MT Claws are $368 ea

No price for MTR as they not out in 17's yet.

You city boys would get a better price and you can not compare prices against at set of 16 or 15 as the options in 17 is very limited at the moment.

I got mtrs 33's- 15s granted for $250 got 35s now for $300 so tradeing ya rims infor some other rims if they fit and spare tyre cash may look good still and open up tyre choices????? an option.. those rims do look good but

Claws slightly dearer in 33's for political reasons i believe..... am trying to sell my mtrs in 35 to get claws as shit in serious mud

cheers
Bingham