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Xover steering
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:05 am
by Da Lux
how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits
Re: Xover steering
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:36 am
by cbr
Da Lux wrote:how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits
I think it will be pretty hard to fit hysteer without drop hanger. With standard x-over like from choas you will be able to do it. I have standard x-over without drop hangers, it's tight but fits. The trick is to use a flat pitman arm and rotate the box as high as you can. I use a 80 series arm.
You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!
Also people are having alot of problems with snake arms. look at this post
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34074
Chris.
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:37 am
by beebee
You can get away with stock hangers as long as you have no flex. I have dropped hangers and the pitman is fairly tight against the chasssis but my TRE is still bent from impacting the spring.
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:48 am
by MissDrew
beebee wrote:You can get away with stock hangers as long as you have no flex.
I call BS, I have high steer, great flex (approx 21 inches) and standard hangers. There is one spot during steering movement and suspension circal that it JUST touches but I can`t remember where the steering has to be or where the suspension has to be or where it touches, FARK I have to finish this pos and get to driving it again
It touches by such a little amount it doesn`t effect it, well not that I have noticed.
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:23 am
by tomsoffroad
You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!
I had problems with too much leverage. Snapped 1 knuckle stud and the rest were loose. New stud and some thread lock seems to have fixed the problem though
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:35 am
by slosh
Running super short pitman arm helps- there is a factory toyota one- ask NICK.
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 8:38 am
by tomsoffroad
I'm running a 75 cruiser pitman arm ( nice and flat ) with a tapered sleeve to suit a standard hilux ball joint and a shortened hilux tierod as a drag link.
Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:36 am
by STUMPY
tomsoffroad wrote:I'm running a 75 cruiser pitman arm ( nice and flat ) with a tapered sleeve to suit a standard hilux ball joint and a shortened hilux tierod as a drag link.
I was using a hilux tierod as a drag link and bent it first day out with 35's. second time it snapped where i tried to sleeve it. go a heavy duty one now, much happier
Re: Xover steering
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:43 am
by Da Lux
cbr wrote:Da Lux wrote:how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits
I think it will be pretty hard to fit hysteer without drop hanger. With standard x-over like from choas you will be able to do it. I have standard x-over without drop hangers, it's tight but fits. The trick is to use a flat pitman arm and rotate the box as high as you can. I use a 80 series arm.
You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!
Also <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> are having alot of problems with snake arms. look at this post
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34074 Chris.
cheers can u put sum pics of ya steerin up for us just to get a visual
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:46 am
by Da Lux
Guts wrote:beebee wrote:You can get away with <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=stock&v=56">stock</a> hangers as long as you have no flex.
I call BS, I have high steer, great flex (approx 21 inches) and standard hangers. There is one spot during steering movement and suspension circal that it JUST touches but I can`t remember where the steering has to be or where the suspension has to be or where it touches,
FARK I have to finish this pos and get to driving it again It touches by such a little amount it doesn`t effect it, well not that I have noticed.
tell me about it bought me car 8 months ago, ended up bein tha biggest lemon, spent to much time fixin and ponderin than drivin it, but the ends worth the time (not tha money but
)
Re: Xover steering
Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:24 am
by cbr
Da Lux wrote:cbr wrote:Da Lux wrote:how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits
I think it will be pretty hard to fit hysteer without drop hanger. With standard x-over like from choas you will be able to do it. I have standard x-over without drop hangers, it's tight but fits. The trick is to use a flat pitman arm and rotate the box as high as you can. I use a 80 series arm.
You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!
Also <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> are having alot of problems with snake arms. look at this post
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34074 Chris.
cheers can u put sum pics of ya steerin up for us just to get a visual
Sorry don't have any pics.
Chris.
Re: Xover steering
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:39 pm
by Aza
cbr wrote:Da Lux wrote:cbr wrote:Da Lux wrote:how hard is it to fit without droppin the front hangers? i know guts didnt drop his but it looks pretty tight. is the chaos xover easier to fit without droppin hangers or tha snake? and droppin hangers not an option, too hard to pass pits
I think it will be pretty hard to fit hysteer without drop hanger. With standard x-over like from choas you will be able to do it. I have standard x-over without drop hangers, it's tight but fits. The trick is to use a flat pitman arm and rotate the box as high as you can. I use a 80 series arm.
You are in WA I have heard from the guys from OL in balcata (when they where doing lane change test) that the engineer prefered the standard x-over arm rather then hysteer. He is saying that there is too much leverage. This is second hand info so not sure how true it is!! You need to get approval from DPI before doing the job!
Also <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=people&v=56">people</a> are having alot of problems with snake arms. look at this post
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34074 Chris.
cheers can u put sum pics of ya steerin up for us just to get a visual
Sorry don't have any pics.
Chris.
give me 5 min and i'll get some pics of mine
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:59 pm
by Aza
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:53 pm
by bubs
i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:30 pm
by cbr
bubs wrote:i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long
Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.
Chris.
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:37 pm
by bubs
cbr wrote:bubs wrote:i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long
Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.
Chris.
i had an 80 series arm
I found this one and seams a better deal, it is shorter which is good when you have pushed your axle 5.5" forward
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:48 pm
by Da Lux
cbr wrote:bubs wrote:i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long
Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.
Chris.
so yours doesnt hit at all
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:50 pm
by Da Lux
Aza wrote:.
wat double arm is that, chaos?
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:04 am
by cbr
bubs wrote:cbr wrote:bubs wrote:i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long
Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.
Chris.
i had an 80 series arm
I found this one and seams a better deal, it is shorter which is good when you have pushed your axle 5.5" forward
From the pic it looks like I have pushed my box forward a bit more. But I have only moved my diff forward 1.5" . So this would help with the 80 series arm.
Chris.
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:05 am
by cbr
Da Lux wrote:cbr wrote:bubs wrote:i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long
Mine is pretty much the same, but I am using an 80 series pitman arm which is flatter and I have angled the box slightly to the arm just misses the frame.
Chris.
so yours doesnt hit at all
No
Chris.
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:27 am
by Aza
Da Lux wrote:Aza wrote:.
wat double arm is that, chaos?
yep thats the chaos arm, the 2 pics of the engine bay shows the box where the battery will go as the power steer pulley has destrpyed 3 in 6 months....
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:29 pm
by tomsoffroad
bubs
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:53 pm
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i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long
The pitman arm off a 2wd Lux which I tried to use had a smaller spline where it bolts onto the steering box. If you find one which fits can you let me know which model to be looking at.
Cheers
Thomas
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:28 pm
by HUNTERLUX
tomsoffroad wrote:bubs
Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:53 pm
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i am going to use a 2WD hilux pitman arm, it is flat almost 1/2" drop, has a tapered hole in it for the drag link and is only about 4 inches long
The pitman arm off a 2wd Lux which I tried to use had a smaller spline where it bolts onto the steering box. If you find one which fits can you let me know which model to be looking at.
Cheers
Thomas
i went 2 do the same & the spline was different just like tom said
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:25 pm
by bubs
damn hey, looks like i will have to get my 80 series arm back, i was only going by the fact the nut was the same size
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:52 pm
by tomsoffroad
bubs
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:25 pm
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damn hey, looks like i will have to get my 80 series arm back, i was only going by the fact the nut was the same size
Yeah same......... gotto try these things I spose
Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:05 pm
by MissDrew
Late 80 or early 100 is what you want, this is what I have on mine. This with the box as high as possible (tie rod end JUST clears the bottom of rail) is how I get away with out dropped front hangers.
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:41 am
by slosh
I can guarantee you there is a shorter pitman arm than 80 series or IFS Hilux that bolts straight on. Dunno what truck it's off but.
I had one on mine but with a long custom steer arm on knuckle meant I had poor turning circle so I went back to 80 series.
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:23 pm
by MissDrew
Its not shortness that you want, that`ll only make it harder to steer, its the flat ness of the drop that you want, you need to get the tie rod end in the pitman arm all but touching the bottom side of the rail as it turns.
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:08 pm
by beebee
I remember someone (possibly ORI or Nick) telling me that the shortest pitman available was from a diahatsu somethingorother.
Maybe that will jog somebody's memory
I have 2" dropped hangers and my TRE on my draglink acts as a bumpstop. Probably have about 25mm clearence off chassis. TRE is probably bent 20mm. So without dropped hangers, you'll have a fight on your hands but as Guts said - it is possible.
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:41 pm
by MissDrew
Which end of your drag link hits? Drivers?
One thing that I haven`t meantion but should have (I`d forgotten) is I have extended my front bump stops 30mm, but this was done for other reasons not for clearance issuses with high steer. I did the bump stops for tail shaft, shocks and now sump clearance, also since I now want to start doing some winch challenges aswell as rocks I need it setup so it can be jumped aswell as crawl.