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Was wondering if anyone could tell me when the RD2.8T was retired and the Zd3.0t was brought into the line
The months this was done would be great also as i am starting to look for a GU patrol and without clear pictures on the net it is hard to see the
decal stickers on the side and i dont want to waste my time looking at a RD2.8T. Any info on this matter would be great
Cheers guys

i wouldnt waste time on the ZD30, id pick the RD28t over the ZD30 anyday, may be underpowerd, but atleast its still going

Had a 2.8 in my GQ and replaced it wiyh a schwitzer 4.2 but now want to use the GQ to compete but need a new truck for warrior family weekends to tow the camper trailer and the 2.8 didnt cope with that to darn well last time


She split the head

not2.8 wrote:Had a 2.8 in my GQ and replaced it wiyh a schwitzer 4.2 but now want to use the GQ to compete but need a new truck for warrior family weekends to tow the camper trailer and the 2.8 didnt cope with that to darn well last time


She split the head

TD42..... no competition..

my old man uses his 2.8 to tow our camper trailer, and it has no dramas, when it comes to hills throw it back a gear and keep it on boost and you will have no dramas,

my father and i have actually raced up hills him witth the camper and 2.8t and myself in GQ 4.2 and te old man cruises straight past me, we even ran it on 35's with the camper and towed it really well,

im not sure wt people hate these things so much.

I dont think its a hate thing cause i actually liked mine when it was not towing It was slightly powered up hade a skyline cluth so all you had to do was slip the clutch a bit to compensate the lag.
But what i intend to use the car for in my own experience the 2.8 just will not be up to the job

not2.8 wrote:Was wondering if anyone could tell me when the RD2.8T was retired and the Zd3.0t was brought into the line
The months this was done would be great also as i am starting to look for a GU patrol and without clear pictures on the net it is hard to see the
decal stickers on the side and i dont want to waste my time looking at a RD2.8T. Any info on this matter would be great
Cheers guys

Hi guys, I'm new to this board.
Regards the 2.8 TD, just bought one myself recently and am still coming to grips with the changeover from a Holden VT Auto. WOW !

First off, have discovered there are TWO series of 2.8 litre TD engines.
Refered to as Y 60 and Y 61. doesn't sound like much I know, however let me finish.
Apparently the Y 60 is the earlier version and has a MECHANICAL INJECTOR PUMP fitted and thus attractive to serious bushies as no electrics to fry and have your truck piggy backed back home.
On the other hand, we have the later version labeled as Y 61, this model is fitted with an ECU and the injector pump is controlled ELECTRONICALLY just as it is in the 3 litre, otherwise everything else is still the same.

Comparing the 3 litre and the 2.8 litre ????????? WOW, that's like comparing chalk and cheese.
For instance the 3 litre's turbo is nearly twice the size as the 2.8's course this is neccessary to feed the air throught them FOUR valves per cylinder which are operated via DOUBLE overhead camshafts.

If I could do it again, knowing now what I know of these vehicles, I'd go for the 3 litre without a doubt.
Besides the fuel consumption on my 2.8 sucks at the moment. Got her booked in to get the injectors serviced and new nozzels fitted, hoping this will return the fuel consumption to original specs.

I can HOPE can't I ??

Oh ! nearly forgot another VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE, so take note people.

The 2.8 litre engine has a BELT DRIVEN CAMSHAFT which needs replacing every 100,000 K's and I've been quoted $561 for the job.

The 3 litre has TWO camshafts driven via a CHAIN which lasts the life of the engine, no service or replacement issues.

And of course if you wanna go the way of the 4.2 this clunker has pushrods and tappets just like old, that's what makes it so much in demand, totaly reliable.

itchyvet wrote:The 3 litre has TWO camshafts driven via a CHAIN which lasts the life of the engine, no service or replacement issues.

Maybe ... but that's only 80,000klms ...

RoldIT wrote:

itchyvet wrote:The 3 litre has TWO camshafts driven via a CHAIN which lasts the life of the engine, no service or replacement issues.

Maybe ... but that's only 80,000klms ...

GOLD!

If I was looking at either of these vehicles i would first look for 2.8 GU find one under 10k generally will have a few problems.

Then get yourself a 4.2 rebuild it with custom turbo and intercooler then with the 4.6 ratios of the of the 2.8 you can run 35's on your tourer and you then know you have good reliable setup and it cost around 20 - 25 k total..........

For all the people that say yeah right cant be done well shop around and think about it...

GU 2.8 are known to go for sale under 10 k. * with problems

Can rebuild a 4.2 and turbo give or take for around 10k then whatever extra you may need spend on it.

Or should you not rebuild the 4.2 buy yourself a wrecked low km GU ute and bolt in the gear and sell the other stuff off. These sell at auctions from 7k to 13k depending condition.

But i would stick to nissan motor and not go for a chev v8 for engineering and the extra cost a well setup 4.2 can out perform them these days you just need to know the right people and what to get done.

Barnsey mabe you should check and replace your belt for your camshaft

I think it might just need replacement .

not2.8 wrote:Was wondering if anyone could tell me when the RD2.8T was retired and the Zd3.0t was brought into the line

April 2000 was switch from 2.8 to 3.0

Oh, and the post above about Y60 and Y61 - Y60 is GQ and Y61 is GU. Y61 was December 1997 on.

bogged wrote:

RoldIT wrote:

itchyvet wrote:The 3 litre has TWO camshafts driven via a CHAIN which lasts the life of the engine, no service or replacement issues.

Maybe ... but that's only 80,000klms ...

GOLD!

Really ?????

First off, my son in law's 3 litre has now done 135,000 and is still going strong, so much for the 80,000 furphy.

Secondly, making smart arse remarks at someone else's expense does nothing for you own creditability.

Again, I direct you to GREGORYS manual or Haynes which VERY CLEARLY shows the cam drive chain, dual cams and four valves per cylinder.

But then hey, what would I know gaining my experience from such publications and hands on with said engine ?

After all, I'm conversing with "experts here, right ??

Problem is, I dunno what they're 'EXPERT AT".

Regards my own 2.8 ? Well certain issues have been resolved to my satisfaction.

The manual throttle cable, that many posters have claimed is not fitted to the 2.8 has been replaced with a newy, remember, the 2.8 is NOT supposed to have such a thing fitted according to quiet a few remarks on these boards.
Don't ask me where the Nissan dealers got it from, or where they connected it, IT WORKS FINE.

Injectors have been overhauled and No 1's been replaced as well as the fuel filter.
The techy doing the job advised to replace the fuel filter every SECOND OIL CHANGE, that is every 10,000 K's.
His philosophy is the filter is much cheaper then the fuel pump, which will inevitably get stuffed if dirty fuel is continuosly forced thru it.
Couldn't argue with that, though no doubt there are considerable on here who will find fault with such thoughts.
Have not as yet carried out a fuel consumption test, this will be done this weekend. Stay tuned.

The dreaded so called 'CHARACTERISTIC' of Patrols, steering wobble at 80 K's abouts has also been resolved.
The so called CHARACTERISTIC is now gone completely.
All it required was replacement of the tie rod and steering damper, finished off with a wheel alignment and balance.

It's a sad state of affairs really, coming to boards such as this in an endevour to gain some insight and understanding of our vehicles, only to find that there are quiet a few posters who claim to KNOW IT ALL, yet know really nothing.

My hat goes off to the genuine guys, who do contribute meaningful helpful info, and to them I express my thanks and appreciation.

The smart arses........ well they can go take a jump, I'm sure they'll enjoy it.

The 3 litre has TWO camshafts driven via a CHAIN which lasts the life of the engine, no service or replacement issues.

just exactly how long have u been looking at the 3 litre engine coz if the 2.8 belts need changing every 100kms thats still twice as long as what most people are getting out of there 3 litres

adamj1300 wrote:The 3 litre has TWO camshafts driven via a CHAIN which lasts the life of the engine, no service or replacement issues.

just exactly how long have u been looking at the 3 litre engine coz if the 2.8 belts need changing every 100kms thats still twice as long as what most people are getting out of there 3 litres

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adam,

Thanks for agreeing with me, that the 3 litre has TWO camshafts which are chain driven.
You won't be getting much argument FROM ME, on that point.

Nor will you get any argument that the chain drive is designed for the life of the engine.

I believe I made that quiet clear in an earlier post.

I'm just stunned, that there are people here who wish to reject all of the above. I also notice, whilst on the one hand, they wish to ridicule my post, but on the other, they did not offer an alternative, this leads me to believe they are simply flaming and not serious posts at all.

Regrads the LIFE of the cam belt for the 2.8, manufacturer's recommendation is to change out the belt at 100,000 K's.

"if the 2.8 belts need changing every 100kms thats still twice as long as what most people are getting out of there 3 litres [/quote]"

The people I personaly know who own and operate 3 litre Patrols, have all done in excess of 100,000 K's.
One has owned his since new, and the other three have had anything from 45,000 to 70,000 when they bought them.
The only hassels they have had, is ONE owner had some oil leaks from the timing chain cover, (fixed under warranty) another had some problems with his turbo, (fixed under warranty) I'm sorry to have to say, these are the ONLY problems that they've incurred so far with their 3 litres.
Maybe they are incredibly lucky people.
I don't suppose you could provide me with some figures and factual verifiable data, to substantiate your claims regards the 3 litre engine ?

I've just had my injectors over hauled with 138,000 on them.
The guy who did them, tells me the life expectancy of an injector is 140,000 and they should either be over hauled at that mileage or replaced with new ones.
It was an interesting point, as no where in my Nissan handbook or Nissan work shop manual, does it give a kilometage for the injectors, all it says,
If injectors emitt black smoke excessively, or fuel consumption increases excessively, the injectors should be taken to a qualified injector specialist for service.
Nothin about chucking them away, nor replacing them with newies.

I find that a little remiss of Nissan.

I was also advised by the same gent, to replace the fuel filter regularly at 10,000 K's or, ever second oil change.
Nissan recommend 20,000 K's.
The reason I was told, it's cheaper to change out a filter then a fuel pump, and fuel pumps DO NOT LIKE JUNK AND FORIEGN MATTER going thru them, stuffs them up pretty quickly.

Now the guy's in the business of REPAIRING said pumps, so I don't think he'd be bullshittin me, after all, if I look after my pump that's less business he'll get.

Again, Nissan is just a tad remiss on this issue as well.

itchyvet, in time you will just accept the useless replies as a form of work for the dole for allot of people

ignore the clowns and continue with the show

keep ya facts coming but u must relise this is and has been fairly well discussed and it's the same shite everyone replies with..... get a 4.2 get a 4.2

i got a 3 i got a 3 but it was free

how much does it cost to get injectors on 2.8? ruff idea ofcourse! if got 235k on my gu and it drives like new only its tarting to blow a bit of smoke, its a bit of a pig getting up goat tracks but on the road its bloody terific! gets up hills ok and great on feul, and also take into account that its always loaded up with winchbar and winch, draws, fridge, roofrack, all my camping gear etc etc! anyway just my 2 bobs worth

familybus wrote:how much does it cost to get injectors on 2.8? ruff idea ofcourse! if got 235k on my gu and it drives like new only its tarting to blow a bit of smoke, its a bit of a pig getting up goat tracks but on the road its bloody terific! gets up hills ok and great on feul, and also take into account that its always loaded up with winchbar and winch, draws, fridge, roofrack, all my camping gear etc etc! anyway just my 2 bobs worth

familybus,

Ref, "how much does it cost to get injectors on a 2.8 ?"

Dunno mate, but the guy that serviced mine, tells me there's not much difference between servicing or replacing them with new ones.

For my money, I'd go for the newies, however, be aware you DON'T have to buy Nissan injectors, there are better available and better prices too.

I had mine done at TOTAL FUEL INJECTION SERVICE

Unit 3/10 Macadam Plce, Balcatta. W.A. 6021

Ph 08 9240 4800

Charged me $500 for servicing FIVE injectors and replacing No 1 (which can't be serviced) as well as replacing the fuel filter.

If your bus has done 235 K's I would reckon she'd be a little due for some tender lovin care.

I just did a solo run on the weekend after the injector service, mainly to see what my fuel consumption was now and to get the feel of the truck without a camper trailer hangin on the back.

Results were 14 litres per 100 K's, still excessive I think for a diesel, though I did do 120- 125 on a few occasions, which probably did not help.

On heavy throttle work, she does smoke, though no longer black, just brown, which is good, by the way, the exhaust pipe internals are no longer black either, just a nice light brown.

Pullin the trailer, she returns 17 litres per 100 K's, which according to much information I've been receiving, is average for a 2.8.

Talkin bout fridges, my son in law has an ENGEL fitted to his 3 litre with dual batteries, the Engel is fitted with a TWO ZONE extension.
He also went away for the weekend, camped over night at our favourite spot, ( NO ! I'm not gunna tell you where just yet) and on starting his truck on Sunday to come home, found his battery............. dead.
The aux was also pretty low. Not good at all.
Stuck in the middle of the forrest with a packed camper trailer hanging on the back and no one else in sight.
Luckily it was on a decent slope towards the river, he let the battery rest for a bit, then turned her on to allow the glow plugs to heat up and let her roll backward down the slope towards the river and dropped the clutch, luckily for him, she started, cause if not he could've ended up IN THE BLOODY RIVER, and no one there to pull him out.

He reckons an auto lecy is gonna check his truck out before he goes again. HEH.

I guess there must be a moral to the story somewhere, like don't trust your dual battery system 100 % ????

Oh another thing happened as well, on the way home the truck began to vibrate somethin awful, couldn't even talk it was so discomforting.
Having experienced such vibration before, I knew what it was, so eased off some and kept it under the speed where it was minimal.
Today had a ring around trying to price a set of UNIVERSALS for the truck.

Results :
Odin Auto Parts, Balcatta- Duh ! try the wreckers, we don't sell em.

Repco Balcatta, 4 Uni's at $218, and they claimed different unis were required for the back and front.

Nissan Wanneroo. $138.05 EACH, Total cost $552 without fitting.

CBC Bearings Malaga, $137.30 FOR FOUR UNIVERSALS which for the 2.8 are the SAME FOR BOTH FRONT AND REAR.

I could not fault the Unis from CBC, they are Australian made and look exactly the same as the nissan ones I took out, except the grease nipple was in a different spot, they appeared to be just as robust as the oldies, keep tuned for long levity of these units.

So there you go Fellas, you don't always hafta go for Nissan bits.
Hope this helps some one.

Hi I too Have a 3 litre 2002 model with 10300kms, gee i must be on borrowed time and still going like the day i bought it. only trouble i had was the slight oil leak at 80000 km on the timing cover and a also had the rear diff centre replaced at the same time as it had a slight whine and a cracked intercooler which had nothing to do with it being a 3 litre as lots of cars have intercoolers and diffs. I did a lot of Homework on the 3ltr before shelling out my hard earned dollars and found yes there were problem pre 2002 but apparently all sorted. ill let you know when i crack 200000 kms cause ill still have it.!!!

Guess I must be the lucky one according to some of the smart arses on here, I did 750.000 kays on a 2.8 without so much as a murmer of trouble. The vehicle lived on the redline and towed a heavy work trailer all its life and ate 4.2 deisels for a snack. The only mods were a snorkel and a mandrel 2.5 inch system.
Yes they do run a rubber timing belt that needs replacing every 100,000 kays but so do landcruiser turbo deisels and quite a few other vehicles.
the 3 litre i have had no experience with asI went from the 2.8 to the 4.8 petrol job but for what its worth i would own another 2.8 in a heart beat.

Hmmmmm, it would appear there's more talk about 2.8 TD's that is supposed to reflect badly upon them, yet going by many remarks coming out of the wood work, by actual owners, it would appear they are being unfairly maligned.
I guess much the same could be made for the 3 litre as well, despite the doom and gloom being spread about them via boards such as this, I have to confess, I personaly know of no one, who owns one, and has had any serious problems with it, who knows, maybe I associate with the wrong type of guys

I've now had my 2.8 TD for just in excess of three months, and have to confess, the bloody thing is growing on me.
Yeah, it still won't pull the skin off a rice puddin, but it seems to buzz along quiet happily solo, and it's fuel consumption appears to be settling down, dunno whether that's because I'm adjusting to the engine, or things are settling down after injector service, don't care either, as long as it keep going.

Got a big trip planned for Wenesday, going bush for 9 days over the Easter break, been gettin the gear ready and am a little concerned at the stead PILE of it, keep thinking of the weight and the poor 2.8 luggin it up the ranges.
Ah well, when we get there and it's uncoupled she can run free and wild in the bush doin what she's been designed for.