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What are peoples oppions on neaprean bushes particually (Pedders ones)
Got all new Pedders red bushes put in about two months ago and in my first trip off road (medium trip didnt even need lockers) the rear left trailing arm front bush disintergreted back side of the plate. Even the back trailing arm bush looks worn. Remembering these bushes are only two months old
Has anyone else had this problem.

If you do any off road driving then stick with RUBBER neo/ of any type CRAP.

Michael.

I agree with HSV. Pedders has been my choice of springs and stab bars and bushes for all my road cars but in the dirt they are just to hard they usually rupture or wear the surrounding metal away. They also make the car noisy and the steering harsh. If you want to do a hot lap on a bit of black top go neo if you want to use the car in the dirt stick to good old rubber. just my opinion
Peter

Had the same problem a couple of weeks ago. Looking for a cheap alternative I went with Pedders. Within 5 minutes of hitting the track at Wederburn had to turn around and come home after both left and right bushes had shredded. It was a lovely day out & a even better trip home at 40kph ( haha ). Went with the rubber ones from TR spares. So far so good. Pedders will credit the bushes for you.

pedders = crap IMHO. rebadged something.

Michael

Neopreme is hard as and has lttle give.
I will never use them again after a shop fitted them to a radius bar on my wifes ford, and it snapped the 1 ' thick bar right at the washer.

Neoprene is a type of rubber (the 1st synthetic rubber). I may be wrong but I would think the rubber used for suspension bushes would be nitrile also known as Buna N.

I think you peeps may be confusing neoprene with one of the trade names used for polyurethane (often coloured red, yellow or black depending upon hardness).

I would use rubber, not polyurethane for suspension bushes.

John
Yes I think you are most likely right but Pedders use both Neoprene and Poly bushes in their suspension kits and as you say both are just pretend rubber. Poly bushes have their uses but they are somewhat specialised and as Rovernaut said hard as.
Just a peeps thoughts of course
Peter

Pedders gear is Nolathane by brand (I was told) but I'm not sure if that's what the stuff is actually made out of.

I have poly bushes in the OME shocks that I have on the Rangie, which I find are too harsh and are getting the big A ASAP

Rangies and poly bushes don't mix IMO. If you want something that drives like crap, buy a Jap 4WD

Trav

OldGold wrote:Pedders gear is Nolathane by brand (I was told) but I'm not sure if that's what the stuff is actually made out of.

From memory that is a brand name for generic polyurethane.

thanks guys i think that the bushes that were put in must have been a bad batch as they were softer than rubber ones (even softer then a thong that was used as a temp to get me home) the other red bushes in his shop were quite hard.

i just had the exact same problem

i just paid $$$ to have the left trailing arm ount on the chassis re bent and welded and new trailing arms / bushes put in

i picked it up a week ago and took it out tonight for its first trip and on the first hill my mate noticed a red bush on the ground that looks fres , so i reverse down and sure enough it has chewed away and fallen out of the chassis mount for the left trailing arm and the right one is about to do the same

the car has done less than 100 Km's since this was all done
and driving along the dirt track i can hear the rear diff moving forwards and backwards just waiting for the trailing arm to rip out of the mount.

here are some pics

the mount that is sprayed black is the right one that was rebuilt

here are some more pics of the bit that came out , it looks melted

needless to say , it is going back to the shop tomorrow

That sight just looks all too familia

Bloody nasty

Proves that neoprene is not indestructable.

Trav

plastic bushes chop out in hours not worth the time and money.

Plastic = all materials other than the rubber type as fitted Std.

std type bushes only.

Michael.

Thats exactly what mine was like BASSYK they just replaced it today and the new ones (red again) are a lot harder than the first lot.

Polyurethane (generic name), like that red material in those pics is good for wear resistance and low friction in particular applications - but only when the deflection is limited to about 10% of its thickness.

I would only use rubber mounts.

I just replaced all my bushings with rubber for teh same reasons, except for the chasis bushes on a leaf sprung vehicle for the fact that rubber are far to diffic cult to get out.

Stick with rubber, but also buy from a good source.

Dave.

well i now have the rig back with rubber bushes in

im going out to gembrook all weekend this weekend and i wont be taking it easy , so ill be giving them a fair workout to see how they go

ill post up pics of how they look after a weekends worth of abuse after i get back

Kevin

also , i found out that they were pedders bushes that were in it , and pedders are playing dumb and saying its not their fault , even though the car did less than 100Km on them

must come with a concrete warranty (as soon as you leave their concrete , theres no warranty)

i am driving a 1987 county with a 3.9 isuzu with 3inches of lift, rear maxi drive and 34x9x16 swamper tsl's and this destroys standard rubber rear trailing arm bushes. am using a brand called "super pro" bushes made from some blue stuff. they are grooved and chamfered and flex just as well as the rubbers but are a lot tougher.

your not the first to have this problem.

take it back to them and get your money back...stick with rubber.

I always thought these stiff polyurethane bushings were originally made for sports cars and entusiasts that wanted stiffer and more precise handling. Would never think to use this stuff on a 4by, especially on the chassis control arm mounts (probably flex the most out of all the bushings). I think its been said before that the best widely available bushings are the stock rubber LR ones.

well i have just done a full weekend (including a bit of night driving) at gembrook and toolangi and the rubber bushes have copped alot of abuse and survived it very well with no damage or wear on the bushes

Good to see they held up, Tried to call you on Sunday but you were out of range,
Dave.

Good to see they held up, Tried to call you Sunday but you were out of range.
Dave.

Had my bushes replaced under warrenty i shouldn't bothered i only got 400ks on the road and 200m up an easy track and busted it again
i know we arnt meant to bag out people on this site but
DON'T BUY PEDDERS RED NOLATHANE BUSHES
and save yourself the hassle
NEXT QUESTION who do i buy rubber bushes from
as i am moving house next week and need the truck fixed quickly

HSV Rangie wrote:pedders = crap IMHO. rebadged something.

Michael

AGAIN.