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the ute is about to get a new set of boots and i have been getting varied responses from trye joints.

I need decent traction for work, decent wear for value, and would prefer to not be heard from miles away.
All are around $250 a corner
cheers John

MTR?

procomp x or muds

have heard bad reports about traction on loose surfaces with mtr.so thats why i left them off. Another option is the old style supperdiggers

johnboy wrote:have heard bad reports about traction on loose surfaces with mtr.so thats why i left them off.

yea? since?

and you include the ST and B/stone muddy but not the MTR??

they can all get stuffed go the MTR

johnboy wrote:have heard bad reports about traction on loose surfaces with mtr.so thats why i left them off. Another option is the old style supperdiggers

Well my MTR's have much better traction on loose surfaces than most tyres, especially the ones listed above.

I was initially unhappy with the MTRs, but after a few good trips I reckon they are by far the best reasabley prices tyre available....really good allround tyre in my oppinion

For noise I would expect the S/Ts to be quietest, but I believe their loose surface grip is similar to the MT/Rs.

My next tyres will be STTs - probably the old ones, as I think the new look too much like my MT/Rs and I'm afraid the loose surface grip will be similar.

What size are you looking for? My 285 MT/Rs are narrower across the shoulders than 31x10.5 S/Ts.

Cheers,

Scott

NJ SWB wrote: My 285 MT/Rs are narrower across the shoulders than 31x10.5 S/Ts.

Scott,

How does that work?

What sort of tyre have you got on there at the moment?
Where is it not performing the way that you want it to?
What sort of traction do you need?
What terrain is it for?
How much time are you off road compared to bitumen?
How much load do you carry?
What size are you looking at?

Just need a bit more info on the application, for a decision to be made between the agressive AT or full mud. The ST is going to be a lot quieter on the road but may not suit the traction that you require. Mileage is going to be good on the Cooper and BFG. Both American made (as long as you don't get the Sth African made BFG, check that) and strong tyres.
My pick is still Cooper.... just the pattern to suit your needs is required.

MQ080 wrote:

NJ SWB wrote: My 285 MT/Rs are narrower across the shoulders than 31x10.5 S/Ts.

Scott,

How does that work?

Sorry, couldn't find a pic so I'll try to describe it.

The width of a tyre is measured from sidewall to sidewall, at the widest point, when the tyre is fitted to the recommended rim width. The shoulder (my definition) is the edge of the tread surface which is nominally flat on the road, or where the tread meets the sidewall. Because of the bulge in the side walls the width of the tread face, from shoulder to shoulder, is less than the nominal width between the side walls.

I have a set of 31x10.5 S/Ts in the shed, and 285/75-16 MT/Rs on the Paj. The S/Ts (nominally 265mm wide) are about 220mm (from memory) from shoulder to shoulder. The MT/Rs are about 10mm narrower - they taper in from the widest point much more than the S/Ts.

33x12.5 MT/Rs seem to be much less tapered than the 285s, and the outer tread blocks seem longer, making the tread surface wider. This may help their loose surface grip, and may explain why some people think they're great, and others (like me) are a little disappointed. I guess it's a manufacturing thing - one tread width does multiple carcase widths, and the 285/75 lost the draw?

Clear as mud? Hopefully somebody can post a pic and explain it better...

Cheers,

Scott

we have coopers st's on out 80 and i was running bfg muds before that, the coopers are much noisier than the muds

id go mtrs for bang for your buck

People have stated in the past that the MT/R's dont grip the Mud as good as a BFG muddy and I went for a run in a LUX with em and didn't like the gravel stability either. I'm sticking with my muddies even if the newer design is not as good as the OLD ones, for touring they were SUPURB.....

I ran MTR's they were great. I know run claw radials and they are better, also quieter aswell.

muddyperils wrote:People have stated in the past that the MT/R's dont grip the Mud as good as a BFG muddy

Ive had both MTR and BF Mud in same size 33x12.5 on my GQ one straight after the other....
Im going another set of MTRs. Ive had no issues in mud with mine, or gravel roads, around the club property we do heaps of klms when up there, all gravel until you get to the fun chit..

humphey wrote:procomp x or muds

iam with humphey go the procomp i got 80.000 out off a set off muds that is with every day use and looking arther them right and they went well of road cheers gavin

id say, go the MTR's, i had the 33's on the GQ, and next week will be replacing them with 35's i havnt been able to fault them yet, have taken me evrywhere i wanted to go,

With the MTR's, in a 35 are they 35x12.5x15 or can u get them in a 35x10.5x15??

Mere

why so narrow ?

the inconsistancey of peoples attitudes to the grip of mtr's may well be due to tyre pressures being too high or low. ive only had my 33's a month but im very happy with them.

yeh thos who aren't happy with mtrs on gravel are prolly running 35-40 psi still

i've got 35" MTRs and they rock ... i competed on them too
drove from bris to tsv .. competed .. and drove back to tsv on my 35z ehehe

they are soft and wear quick too .... spesh if ur wheels are not aligned ...
or doin burnouts n stuff

going BFG mudz on my wagon .. they last longer

I mentioned in an earlier post that I had a look at some 33x12.5 MT/Rs earlier this week, and the pattern is different to the 285/75 I've got. The blocks on the outer edge look longer (i.e. wider across the tread face) which may increase their effectiveness as "paddles" in loose stuff.

So - I just measured mine, and the longest outside block is about 70mm long. Anybody with other sizes care to measure theirs?

Hoonz - I run mine at 20psi in loose stuff, and don't get the same traction as a 100 series at 25psi on BFG muds. How low should I have to go?

Scott

i run my fronts at 15 and my rears at 13 or 10 (on 15x8 rims)pending on the track and they work awesome ..

also .. what i did when i got them was fitted them to the car and let them down to 5psi and drove on them for 30mins ... up and down the road
BECAREFUL WHEN TURNING!

my MTrs bag really well

am due for a new set .. and im looking at MTRs again in 37"

just about everyone is posting mtr's here

hint hint

I've got a set of 285x75 MTR's on my Nissan GQ. They arn't wearing too bad but............. unless you use them in a situation where the extra tracion is required frequently, i don't believe they are worth the extra $200/set.
Mine do work well off road and we run them on the 20 or so mine vehicles at work but i will be putting the Brigestone MT on for my next set.

bridgestone mt are a very underrated tyre!

spazbot wrote:why so narrow ?

Got heaps of 15x7 rims atm just haven't got any bigger yet, was gonna build up the $$$$ and then get some wider rims.
Most prob 15x10 if I can.

Mere

Hoonz wrote:also .. what i did when i got them was fitted them to the car and let them down to 5psi and drove on them for 30mins ... up and down the road
BECAREFUL WHEN TURNING!

Why

GO the MTR's tough as we run em on our paddock vehicles haven't done a side wall yet, the mines here in CQ use narrow ones (don't know exact size) saw a set on a wrangler the other day done 30K still had at least 3/4 tread remaining