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Gday guys

My sister and her boyfriend are looking at getting a 4WD ute. They really need one for our trips away, oh and his work. He is looking at the mid range, Hilux, Navara, Bravo, Rodeo, Courier.

The Hilux is $46K and the Courier is $33K. Just wondering if you had any thoughts seeing as you are the 4WD experts . (She personally like's the Nissan Patrol ute)

The Toyota will hold its value longer but the Courier and Rodeo are much more in their range!!

Thanks in advance

Get the Patrol!

What about a Mitsubishi Triton
2.8 intercooled turbo diesel
Bigger and more powerful than the other bugger

I.M.P.O.S.E wrote:Get the Patrol!

Sorry mate but I'm going 2 disagree with u on that

A few people in our 4WD club have the 4.2 turbo diesel GU wagons and are very disapointed in the performance of the engine. Especialy down low torque.
Also 5th gear goes in them which is a common problem.


If they were 2 go for a bigger truck go for the 79 series turbo diesel land cruiser

rocknferoza wrote:

I.M.P.O.S.E wrote:Get the Patrol!

Sorry mate but I'm going 2 disagree with u on that

A few people in our 4WD club have the 4.2 turbo diesel GU wagons and are very disapointed in the performance of the engine. Especialy down low torque.
Also 5th gear goes in them which is a common problem.


If they were 2 go for a bigger truck go for the 79 series turbo diesel land cruiser

I guess we are talking new so 5th gear is fixed about 3 yrs ago (ok thats a guess, but it is fixed). And where warranty fixes as well, also the other gears where still usable.
But really depends how much they want to spend. As both the 79series and GU are other $50k.

As for Toyotas holding there value anything that cost more to start off with is going to cost more 2nd hand. So I dont think this is worth worrying about.

The courier is the bargain of this lot atm, after lots of price checking and haggling I got firm prices of single cab td on road with air, tray and tow for $26k, dual cab just on $30k. Its a big $ more for any of the others. Still comes back to what sort of driving carrying you need to do

rocknferoza wrote:

I.M.P.O.S.E wrote:Get the Patrol!

Sorry mate but I'm going 2 disagree with u on that

A few people in our 4WD club have the 4.2 turbo diesel GU wagons and are very disapointed in the performance of the engine. Especialy down low torque.
Also 5th gear goes in them which is a common problem.


If they were 2 go for a bigger truck go for the 79 series turbo diesel land cruiser

Have to disagree with that, maybe problems with the smaller box behind the 3 litre, but I've got the same TD42 box behind my 350,000km TB42 GQ and I give it a thrashing, I even pulled a 90mm circlip out of the oil drain hole 18 months ago and it's still going strong. 5th gear goes, pretty bloody well in my view.

Toyota factory turbo diesels? Now we're talking disapointment

But seeing he's not looking for a big 4WD, go the Hilux, great for any medium duty offroad. Though if it's only for light duty offroad then the Triton, Rodeo or Courier are probably much the same standard.

I reckon it comes down to what they want to do with it. If they are going to want to modify it now or later then the Hilux is the number one choice. due to its huge aftermarket. But if he has lots to carry for work then the Hilux has a pissy little tray in dual cab form.

If I was them I'd go to any ARB or TJM etc outlet and get a list of all the bolt on aftermarket accessories available for each model and see which one has the things available that they need or might want in the future. A good starting point at least.

If its going to remain pretty stock, from what I've seen, the diesel rodeo seems to perform better off road than the hilux.

IMHO Isuzu diesels are generally better than most, including toyota.

rocknferoza wrote:

I.M.P.O.S.E wrote:Get the Patrol!

Sorry mate but I'm going 2 disagree with u on that

A few people in our 4WD club have the 4.2 turbo diesel GU wagons and are very disapointed in the performance of the engine. Especialy down low torque.
Also 5th gear goes in them which is a common problem.


If they were 2 go for a bigger truck go for the 79 series turbo diesel land cruiser

Ive seen where your 4WD club go! So I'd say that pulling the groceries out from the Coles carpark would put alot of strain on the engine
Also 5 gear problem in these is because they never get used getting down to the corner store

The Courier has a bigger 4L motor now does it not?

grazza wrote:The Courier has a bigger 4L motor now does it not?

Yeah 4 litre petrol V6

Rainbow Warrior wrote:Have to disagree with that, maybe problems with the smaller box behind the 3 litre, but I've got the same TD42 box behind my 350,000km TB42 GQ and I give it a thrashing, I even pulled a 90mm circlip out of the oil drain hole 18 months ago and it's still going strong. 5th gear goes, pretty bloody well in my view.

No this is with the 4.2 turbo diesel. One guy in our club did 5th gear and I've spoken 2 someone else with the same engine that also did 5th gear.

Rainbow Warrior wrote:Toyota factory turbo diesels? Now we're talking disapointment

Only thing I've heard is big end bearing problems but that was fixed once toyota brought out the 24valve engine.
Also the turbo cruisers have a very strong gearbox

I.M.P.O.S.E wrote:Get the Patrol!

Yeah patrols are tuff and if you don't care about fuel, go for it
other wise i would go the hi-lux, cheaper to run, but both have lots of after market goodys to put on. where as the Courier and Rodeo, i wouldn't be sure about but i have driven a Rodeo and there pretty gut less, and there alot lower than a hilux.

Cheers Nick

GO AND DRIVE THEM ALL...

that will eliminate most of them for lack of inside room.

then come back with the 3 that are left..

rocknferoza wrote:

Rainbow Warrior wrote:Have to disagree with that, maybe problems with the smaller box behind the 3 litre, but I've got the same TD42 box behind my 350,000km TB42 GQ and I give it a thrashing, I even pulled a 90mm circlip out of the oil drain hole 18 months ago and it's still going strong. 5th gear goes, pretty bloody well in my view.

No this is with the 4.2 turbo diesel. One guy in our club did 5th gear and I've spoken 2 someone else with the same engine that also did 5th gear.

Rainbow Warrior wrote:Toyota factory turbo diesels? Now we're talking disapointment

Only thing I've heard is big end bearing problems but that was fixed once toyota brought out the 24valve engine.
Also the turbo cruisers have a very strong gearbox

Hmm I hadn't heard of it, maybe it's just a defective part failure, easily fixed as the box is solid as a rock in design, only grearbox I've had that's lasted over 3 years of my abuse.

They've upgraded the AWD system?

I was down at the car yard looking for my next vehicle & I stumbled across the new Ssangyong Musso Sport. It is basically the old model musso wagon chopped down to a dual cab.

These have the largest dual cab, bar the F250, plus are pretty well appointed inside. They have
4 wheel dics brakes,
coils all round,
2.9 turbo diesel mercedes benz engine,
choice of auto or manual shift on the fly 4x4
& are under 30k brand new.

It would be my choice for a 4x4 dual cab.

http://www.ssangyongaustralia.com.au/co ... ports.html

Mytqik wrote:I was down at the car yard looking for my next vehicle & I stumbled across the new Ssangyong Musso Sport. It is basically the old model musso wagon chopped down to a dual cab.

These have the largest dual cab, bar the F250, plus are pretty well appointed inside. They have
4 wheel dics brakes,
coils all round,
2.9 turbo diesel mercedes benz engine,
choice of auto or manual shift on the fly 4x4
& are under 30k brand new.

It would be my choice for a 4x4 dual cab.

http://www.ssangyongaustralia.com.au/co ... ports.html

With an aftermarket the size of my little fingernail

According to my TJM catalogue:

* Bull Bars
* Cargo Barriers (Not applicable here)
* Driving Lights
* LR Fuel Tanks
* Rear Bars
* Side Steps
* Series 2000 suspension
* Towvars
* Tyre Carriers
* Winches

What more do you want??

Originally it was stated that they wanted it for touring/work. What other 4x4 has 4 coil suspension & car like interior for under 30K??

Edit: Fixed up my dumb typo

I don't think your ARB catalogue will be advertising Series 2000 suspension.

How about diff locks and canopy?

They are also only rated to about 4-500kg from memory. Not much of a tradies ute.

You are correct about the series 2000 thing, my dumb typo. I have both cataloges on my desk here.

The musso website shows a canopy on one, so they must be available.

Why would a tourer need difflocks??

Fair point about the payload, although they dont actually say what the "work" purpose it. There are alot of work vehicles that never get more than a toolbox or two in the back. (Surveyors, site engineers & the like.)

Maybe if BigHazza cleared up exactly what the requirements are for the vehicle is, it would make giving advice a little easier.

Ok firstly thanks for all your opinions

They want it for touring say some outback stuff, some tracks around, and his work as he is a landscape he needs a fair bit of payload and tray space. So fair the hilux, landcrusier and triton is sounding good and maybe the couier but any other suggjestings would be good.

rocknferoza wrote:[
A few people in our 4WD club have the 4.2 turbo diesel GU wagons

Also 5th gear goes in them which is a common problem.

Stick a feroza box on it. That should fix it.

That ssssssanyong has some wicked rear overhang.......... Hope you don't plan on any steep angles etc...